Turkish Air Force | News & Discussions

[zzw001]

If Turkey wants to pay protection money to the EU, it should look to France and Germany. If Turkey wants to pay protection money to the US, it look to the US. No sense in looking to the UK, what protection does the UK offer Turkey?

It is more like the fighter jets Turkey is buying to deal with the threat Israel.

To be honest, if Turkey wants to get a high-thrust engine, it can only go through Russia. The US is an ally of Israel, China does not trust Turkey Europe has no High-thrust engine.

France has sided with Greece since at least the 70s against Turkey (the Greek navy and air force look like mini French navy and air force with almost every type of French equipment on the market). So no Turkey cannot buy from France. Turkey is almost not on the best terms with the US recently. So UK and Germany are the next most best options among their nato allies and both happen to be Eurofighter partners.

 

[harpy1]

Turkey seeks return to F-35 programme, considers redirecting USD 1.4 billion from F-16 deal

According to Turkish defence website TurkDef, Ankara is seeking to rejoin the F-35 Lightning II programme and acquire the fifth-generation fighter jets.

defence-industry.eu

Not only are Turkey buying Typhoon they are asking USA for reentry into the F35 fighter programme

This does not sound too convincing for Our Kaan fan boys who had already secured over seas deliverd of the mighty Kaan to Pakistan .

It always made me smirk to myself how naive people actually are
So far removed from ground reality is like primary school children level thinking

 

[harpy1]

PS I'm not saying Kaan won't happen but right now there is just a shell
No fifth generation engine
No fully developed new Aesa radar or weapons or Ew suites.

The cost and time to get this Into full.combat mode full networked is decade or more away

So sobering thoughts for Turkish fan boys

 

[Owaiz]

Turkey’s 10.6 billion purchase of the Eurofighter Typhoon—without access to its source code—means no data-link integration and no true network-centric warfare capability. It’s nothing more than paying protection money.

None of the UK, Germany, Italy and Spain are independentally relevant military powers in the Middle East. What is the point of paying protection money to these relative nobodies ?

 

[MH.Yang]

PS I'm not saying Kaan won't happen but right now there is just a shell
No fifth generation engine
No fully developed new Aesa radar or weapons or Ew suites.

The cost and time to get this Into full.combat mode full networked is decade or more away

So sobering thoughts for Turkish fan boys

I believe KAAN will still be successful, just the completion time will be very late.

Of course, if KAAN is willing to compromise on payload range, speed and other data, the EJ200 can also be used, so the KAAN could also be in service in the 2030s.

If KAAN uses EJ200, then Turkey buying EF-2000 is a very correct choice. The same engine is good for maintenance.

 

[Yasser76]

USA did same treachery about Air Defense Systems

Turkiye : We want to buy PATRIOT
USA : NO

Turkiye : ok we will buy HQ-9 from China
USA : ohh no , cancel deal with China , we will give PATRIOT

Turkiye : ok we canceled deal with China , give us PATRIOT
USA : NO

Turkiye : then we buy S400 from Russia
USA : ohh no cancel deal with Russia

Turkiye : Shut Up
USA : ohhh Turkiye is bad ally , Turkiye is enemy .. I give you CAATSA

Pakistan learnt this lesson in the 90s....

 

[MMM-E]

If Turkey is willing to buy 4G fighter jets at a price of 400 million pounds each, which will be delivered in the 2030s, this shows that the Turks are not too confident about the KAAN project.

Far better than 40 F-16V for $22 billion

$10,7 billion for full of package
-- ( 20+20 new Eurofighter T-4s)
-- modernization of 12 Omani Eurofighters
-- large number of Missiles and other munitions
-- large number of engines and spare parts
-- training and maintenance expenses for years
-- etc , etc

even maybe software for using Turkish Missiles and Munitions on Eurofighters

--------------------------

If we had the domestic engine now or more 80 American F-110 engines , then we could produce 40 units of KAAN until 2030 which is already better than all 4.5 gen Fighter Jets F-16V , F-15EX , RAFALE , Eurofighter , SU-35 , J10C

but Turkiye can not wait without new Fighter Jets until 2035 when the KAAN squadrons ready with domestic engine

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

American Congress is slave to Israel and Zionist Lobby as like White House and PENTAGON

They have been stalling Turkiye for years and wants endless political concessions. ...

And, Europe is not?

 

[wifi909]

before 5.7, according to most of the 3rd party evaluation, rafale is better than typhoon.

Even they take rafale as the most advanced aircraft except the 5th Generation aircraft.

for avionics, radar and air fighter engine, Europe is far more behind usa and China.
Weather rafale or typhoon, it is just sitting duck when confronted with frontline aircraft of USA or China.

It is true that Rafale and Typhoon have no chance of against the 5th gen fighters of the US and China. And the latest Tranche 4 Typhoon can be regarded as a real 4.5th gen fighter. However, this does not mean that China has surpassed Europe in the field of engines. WS-10 is currently one generation behind the EJ-200 engine used in the Typhoon from technical perspective. EJ-200 is currently one of the best engines in the world. China's equivalent engines, WS-15 and WS-19, have not yet been mass-produced.

 

[MMM-E]

This does not sound too convincing for Our Kaan fan boys who had already secured over seas deliverd of the mighty Kaan to Pakistan .

Better go and dream on your paper project AMCA

KAAN has been developed in record time and made its maiden flight 2 years ahead of schedule

We are waiting for the TF-35.000 turbofan Engine in 2032-2035 period to join the elite club with USA , China and Russia

-----------------

Otherwise, KAAN would have gone into production with American F-110 engine in 2027 ........ and 20 KAANs would have been delivered to the Turkish Air Force by 2030

It is not certain that the USA will provide additional F110 engines to Türkiye.

 

[MH.Yang]

Far better than 40 F-16V for $22 billion

$10,7 billion for full of package
-- ( 20+20 new Eurofighter T-4s)
-- modernization of 12 Omani Eurofighters
-- large number of Missiles and other munitions
-- large number of engines and spare parts
-- training and maintenance expenses for years
-- etc , etc

even maybe software for using Turkish Missiles and Munitions on Eurofighters

--------------------------

If we had the domestic engine now or more 80 American F-110 engines , then we could produce 40 units of KAAN until 2030 which is already better than all 4.5 gen Fighter Jets F-16V , F-15EX , RAFALE , Eurofighter , SU-35 , J10C

but Turkiye can not wait without new Fighter Jets until 2035 when the KAAN squadrons ready with domestic engine

I'm just saying the price is too expensive, not that the Turkish choice is wrong.

First of all, the EF-2000 is interceptor, which is more advantageous for defense and interception than other 4G jet.

Secondly, if KAAN chooses EJ200, then the EF-200 is more advantageous for maintenance and logistics. Considering that Israel's actions are getting crazier and crazier, it is understandable for KAAN to compromise on the engine in for early entry into service.

As for F-16V and other American-made fighter jets, I agree with you. These aircraft are likely to be unable to use when is facing a real threat.

 

[MH.Yang]

before 5.7, according to most of the 3rd party evaluation, rafale is better than typhoon.

Even they take rafale as the most advanced aircraft except the 5th Generation aircraft.

for avionics, radar and air fighter engine, Europe is far more behind usa and China.
Weather rafale or typhoon, it is just sitting duck when confronted with frontline aircraft of USA or China.

Rafale is a Multirole Fighter, and for a small country's air force, Rafale is indeed better than J-10C EF-2000. But if it is air combat, J-10C and EF-2000 are both better than Rafale.

To be honest, Rafale is also only suitable for small countries with sufficient military expenditure. Poor small countries are more suitable for second-hand F-16. Because of the large number of F-35 entering service and iteration, there are many cheap second-hand F-16 on the market now, and the cost performance is very high.

 

[Yasser76]

Rafale is a Multirole Fighter, and for a small country's air force, Rafale is indeed better than J-10C EF-2000. But if it is air combat, J-10C and EF-2000 are both better than Rafale.

To be honest, Rafale is also only suitable for small countries with sufficient military expenditure. Poor small countries are more suitable for second-hand F-16. Because of the large number of F-35 entering service and iteration, there are many cheap second-hand F-16 on the market now, and the cost performance is very high.

Many shrewd buyers have already gobbled up the decent used F-16 fleets

Chile, Romania, Ukraine

 

[Aziqbal]

Because of increasing threats in the region

all the Countries in the region are frantically arming themselves.

Greece : 84 F-16V modernization , 24 RAFALE and 20 F-35A on order
Iran : 48 SU-35 also maybe J-10Cs from China
Egypt : 54 RAFALE , 48 MIG-29M2 .. also F-15 or Eurofighter or J-10C

Also France appears as a rival in Libya and the Eastern Mediterranean
and on the other side , crazy bear Russia

Air forces play the most critical role in protecting a country's vital interests.
Turkish Air Force always should be deterrent

The Turkish military industrial complex is more than capable to develop something better than the 30 year old jet, you have said that yourself

They can make radar they can make engines they can make air frames they can make the missiles

The only time Western equipment is bought is when countries try to score political points and gain leverage in foreign policies

And we all know these political points are meaningless and they never benefit the nation of interest

Just look at Qatar

 

[Foinikas]

And, Europe is not?

Most European governments are. And guess who specifically: Germany and Britain.