RescueRanger
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Israel Genocide in Gaza - 2023 to present - Part ll
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This is Israeli Nicole Raviv and Emirati Ahmed Alhosani singing the Israeli national anthem together.
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why is an Emirati singing the Israeli national anthem ... ?
Shags101
Trusted Member
Because he got paid to sell his soul
shapurzolaktaf
Registered Member
Arab regimes/rulers care more about their buildings, economy than Palestinians. They have no independence and political/moral dignity, when it comes to themselves and specially to Palestinians. The people have no say, either the general or some tribal chiefs decide for everyone and all of them, if they dont assist Israel in the background (like Emirates and who knows Bahrain and Morocco) they dont help or support Palestinians either.Arabs have a lot more to lose. Have a lot more risk as well in going up against the US. What they are trying to do is leverage their deep ties with the US to gain a better outcome. And persuade the US to get onboard with a independent Palestinian state.
Iran itself is open to US trade/investment/ties, not with Israel:
In a speech on Wednesday, Pezeshkian said Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei "has no opposition to American investors."
Iran leader open to US investment in win for Trump
Iranian President Masoud Pezeshkian says that American "investors are welcome to invest in our country."www.newsweek.com
Houthis have existed before Iranian revolution, they're a tough warrior tribe but yes I don't deny the rest.
Muslims leaders collectively have bigger leverage against the United States
Not Iran alone. Their combined efforts can work, and it seemingly is working now because US got worried how far Israel will take it.
The pressure works
Iranians have their "Javanmardi, shahnamehmixed with Shia muslim ethics (standing up against oppression) mixed up and decided to give up on economy. Some Iranians want to follow the Arab model (certain liberals and followers of son of Shah). But this goes against the character/mentality of Iranians, it's very conflicting.
Yes we can do trade with USA, but that would be based on being equals, not becoming blind consumers of US weapon industry, goods or giving them military bases or to rent and sell our sovereinity. Trading stands separate from those other things.
Houthis/Yemenis and Palestinians are brave people. I wish their bravery and current suffering leads to positive results and prosperity in the future, a better quality of life. They shattered the idea that west cared about human rights, they shattered the fake image of victimhood propaganda from Zionia.
_Arabia_
Trusted Member
You are too obsessed about Arabs while at the same time claiming to support other Arabs. Does not work like that.
All while Arabs are the ones fighting against/starting wars against Israel/Jews since the very beginning in 1948 and doing by far the most sacrifices economically, politically and military since that time period.
You are also talking about like the entire Arab world has "normalized" with Israel. Not the case. Vast majority of Arab states, including all the main Arab states have never normalized with Israel.
Even the likes of Egypt only normalized due to several hard-fought wars. Even despite this (open diplomatic, economic, people to people (tourists mostly) etc. ties) most Egyptians dislike Israelis heavily and are against their policies in Palestine. Same goes for every other Arab country that has normalized which again are an overall small minority. Only other Arab neighbor of Israel to normalize is Jordan for the very same reasons like Egypt.
You are creating some alternative reality. Iran was the main regional ally of Israel from 1948 until 1979 along with Turkey. Even closer ally than Turkey. Where were those imaginary things you are writing about in regard to Iranian character etc. and some ideology for all that time back then?
Even during the Mullah reign, Iran was happily receiving and accepting Israeli support (Iran-Contra affair) against Iraq.
Israeli support for Iran during the Iran–Iraq War - Wikipedia
Same Iranian Mullah regime was happily aiding the US (which worked along with Israel which was the main regional country along with Iran that wanted the removal of Saddam Hussein and Taliban) to topple/invade Iraq in 2003 and Afghanistan in 2001.
You have several Iranian high-ranking Mullahs and the likes of Ahmadinejad (President) openly claiming and bragging about it.
Stop the theatre my friend, nobody is buying it.
Same thing with Israel attacks on Hezbollah (supposed Iranian ally) and Palestine. Iran did nothing, despite 46 years of constant propaganda. This only changed when ISRAEL itself attacked Iran several times. So it was never about "protecting" any Hamas or Palestinians but simply replying to a direct attack. Case in point complete Iranian silence (like rest of the Muslim world) since June and until now when 1000's of Palestinians have been killed by Israel.
Israel-Iranian confrontation (for the first time in 45-6 years) only occurred in the first place because the Iranian proxies were getting defeated/losing ground/losing Syria. Which was always only about defending Iranian borders from afar and keeping conflict away from Iran itself at the expense of said countries. Israel also realized that most of the Iranian power was an illusion by large. People/entire neighborhood thought after 46 years and after 37 years of mostly peace, that Iran was far stronger than it turned out to be. This strategy eventually turned out to be a failure when the Iranian project (in the region) collapsed after the Al-Assad regime collapsed.
Now the Iranian regime, in order to keep in power, and given the many economic, environmental, social, political and overall political divisions within Iran, will be slowly slowing down their engagements abroad and focusing inwards while trying to court wealthy Arab states, Turkey and others in the region to regain their trust and help them out in order to survive a few more years in power.
Even the likes of PressTV is changing their tune:
News just from today:
Tehran, Riyadh discuss boosting joint investment in health and medicine
Iran and Saudi Arabia stress need to deepen their cooperation in healthcare, medicine, and medical technology.
www.presstv.co.uk
This is basically Iran talking through Hezbollah saying "Hey KSA, despite hostility and obsession 24/7 towards you, creation/helping Hezbollah Al-Hijaz commit several terror attacks within KSA, plane hijackings/suspected bombings, murdering 1000's upon 1000's of Muslim Syrian Arabs, helping Houthis, talking on numerous occasions in a very hostile manner, calling KSA worse than Israel (after KSA executed the Nimr al-Nimr terrorist and instigator - see the Nasrallah speech as a reaction) and tons of other things in the past 40 + years, we now need your support and help because our ass is getting kicked and we are at risk of becoming irrelevant even in tiny/failed South Lebanon/Lebanon. Please help us out and forget everything we did to you, even though you never hurt Lebanon once or attacked us, helped broker and end the retarded Lebanese civil war (Taif Agreement) helped our country economically for decades stay afloat, hosted the largest Lebanese diaspora, and even though we proudly claim Sadah ancestry from your country (Hejaz, KSA) etc., it was all just a misunderstanding and now we want your support and cooperation despite us never apologizing for our senseless/stupid behavior for the past 40 years"...
You need to adapt to the new reality and change your tune.
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Hassan Al-Somal
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JUST IN: HAMAS STATEMENT:
“We affirm that we have no connection to the shooting incident in Rafah, and we affirm our commitment to the ceasefire agreement.
The criminal bombing carried out by the “israeli” occupation army on areas of the Gaza Strip represents a blatant violation of the ceasefire agreement signed in Sharm El-Sheikh under the auspices of US President Trump.
This terrorist attack is an extension of the series of violations committed in recent days, including attacks which resulted in martyrs and wounded and the continued closure of the Rafah crossing, confirming the insistence on violating the terms of the agreement and trying to make it fail.
We call on the mediating guarantors of the agreement to act immediately to pressure “israel” in curbing its brutal escalation against civilians in the Gaza Strip, stop its serious violations of the ceasefire agreement, and urge it to adhere to all its terms”.
“We affirm that we have no connection to the shooting incident in Rafah, and we affirm our commitment to the ceasefire agreement.
The criminal bombing carried out by the “israeli” occupation army on areas of the Gaza Strip represents a blatant violation of the ceasefire agreement signed in Sharm El-Sheikh under the auspices of US President Trump.
This terrorist attack is an extension of the series of violations committed in recent days, including attacks which resulted in martyrs and wounded and the continued closure of the Rafah crossing, confirming the insistence on violating the terms of the agreement and trying to make it fail.
We call on the mediating guarantors of the agreement to act immediately to pressure “israel” in curbing its brutal escalation against civilians in the Gaza Strip, stop its serious violations of the ceasefire agreement, and urge it to adhere to all its terms”.
shapurzolaktaf
Registered Member
You are too obsessed about Arabs while at the same time claiming to support other Arabs. Does not work like that.
All while Arabs are the ones fighting against/starting wars against Israel/Jews since the very beginning in 1948 and doing by far the most sacrifices economically, politically and military since that time period.
You are also talking about like the entire Arab world has "normalized" with Israel. Not the case. Vast majority of Arab states, including all the main Arab states have never normalized with Israel.
Even the likes of Egypt only normalized due to several hard-fought wars. Even despite this (open diplomatic, economic, people to people (tourists mostly) etc. ties) most Egyptians dislike Israelis heavily and are against their policies in Palestine. Same goes for every other Arab country that has normalized which again are an overall small minority. Only other Arab neighbor of Israel to normalize is Jordan for the very same reasons like Egypt.
You are creating some alternative reality. Iran was the main regional ally of Israel from 1948 until 1979 along with Turkey. Even closer ally than Turkey. Where were those imaginary things you are writing about in regard to Iranian character etc. and some ideology for all that time back then?
Even during the Mullah reign, Iran was happily receiving and accepting Israeli support (Iran-Contra affair) against Iraq.
Israeli support for Iran during the Iran–Iraq War - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Same Iranian Mullah regime was happily aiding the US (which worked along with Israel which was the main regional country along with Iran that wanted the removal of Saddam Hussein and Taliban) to topple/invade Iraq in 2003 and Afghanistan in 2001.
You have several Iranian high-ranking Mullahs and the likes of Ahmadinejad (President) openly claiming and bragging about it.
Stop the theatre my friend, nobody is buying it.
Same thing with Israel attacks on Hezbollah (supposed Iranian ally) and Palestine. Iran did nothing, despite 46 years of constant propaganda. This only changed when ISRAEL itself attacked Iran several times. So it was never about "protecting" any Hamas or Palestinians but simply replying to a direct attack. Case in point complete Iranian silence (like rest of the Muslim world) since June and until now when 1000's of Palestinians have been killed by Israel.
Israel-Iranian confrontation (for the first time in 45-6 years) only occurred in the first place because the Iranian proxies were getting defeated/losing ground/losing Syria. Which was always only about defending Iranian borders from afar and keeping conflict away from Iran itself at the expense of said countries. Israel also realized that most of the Iranian power was an illusion by large. People/entire neighborhood thought after 46 years and after 37 years of mostly peace, that Iran was far stronger than it turned out to be. This strategy eventually turned out to be a failure when the Iranian project (in the region) collapsed after the Al-Assad regime collapsed.
Now the Iranian regime, in order to keep in power, and given the many economic, environmental, social, political and divisions within Iran, will be slowly slowing down from forcing involvements and focusing inwards while trying to court wealthy Arab states, Turkey and others to regain trust.
Even the likes of PressTV is changing their tune:
Tehran, Riyadh discuss boosting joint investment in health and medicine
Iran and Saudi Arabia stress need to deepen their cooperation in healthcare, medicine, and medical technology.
You need to adapt to the new reality and change your tune.
Too long to read to be honest. Snapshots of Rouhani or this and that dont say anything about the course/direction of Islamic republic if Iran.
I'm just mentioning the facts when it comes to Muslim Ummah and specially Arab passiveness towards the current situation (Palestinian genocide) and also praising independent Arabs, and any other power which shows courage, be it Spain or South Africa, Ireland or Palestinians or anyone else.
_Arabia_
Trusted Member
But you yourself are an opponent, heavily critical of the Islamic Republic of Iran (regime) so why this double standard? Iranians, in particular the large secular, anti-Muslim and anti-Arab segment of Iranian society, are also the biggest supporters of Israel in the region. All those famous Iranian political figures in the diaspora are all pro-Israel (heavily). Even your former Crown Prince. Most Iranians even on this forum, from what I have seen, want nothing to do with this conflict.
My previous reply to you is purely based on ground realities and just a counter (mirror) to your post about Arabs which is not serious in nature.
"Independent Arabs". Every country, at the end of the day, are independent in one way or another or to a smaller or greater extent.
Even those few Arab regimes that have opened up official relations with Israel, they are not doing it out of love of Israel but either due to selfish geopolitical (state) reasons, in order to retain cordial ties with US/West and also in many ways in order to hope to sway/influence Israelis directly in the right direction because throughout history, since at least 1948, the previous policy of no ties and open hostility, did not amount to much on the ground. Israel is only getting stronger and gaining more ground (illegal settlements) whether we like it or not.
But sure personally I disagree with this policy but many other majority Muslim nations (non-Arab) have long ago recognized Israel and enjoyed benefits from it from Asia, Africa, Europe etc.
The harsh reality is that Israel is untouchable (largely) as long as they are armed with nukes and enjoy unconditional US/Western support which this genocide has confirmed once again. No single Muslim state can defeat them militarily as things stand right now. It would require (today) some kind of genuine Muslim/anti-Israeli regional coalition and for Muslims to also be armed with nuclear weapons in order to create parity with the West/Israel.
The only solution (long term) is for Arabs and Muslims as a whole to develop their separate countries and peoples and focus on economics, technology. Especially as long as military and economic power matters the most (probably never going to change as this was always the case throughout history) in this jungle that we call a world. That and some kind of semblance of unity within the overall region, which for various reasons, is far from happening yet unlike the Europeans who learned from WW1, WW2, Cold War etc the hard way.
Although there are improvements in this regard lately and I believe that the young generation is seeing the faults of previous generations and trying to learn from them. Once more of them reach power this will be reflected on the ground.
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Falcon29
Elite Member
Jewish and American Kaffirs continue to bombard Gaza throughout the night
47 Palestinians have been murdered
That's how America pays Arab allies back. By stabbing them in the back, deceiving them, and endangering their national security.
47 Palestinians have been murdered
That's how America pays Arab allies back. By stabbing them in the back, deceiving them, and endangering their national security.
Falcon29
Elite Member
You really believe so?
I don't believe we need a months long campaign but rather to creative about deterrence options. There has be some ways of deterring Israel. That I don't know about. Muslims and the Muslim professionals/experienced army vets are more creative than me.
Like I said, I'm truly not sure I would think Arab/Muslim leadership are better aware of these details.
Yes they would, because in the end they support the exisistence and survival of these states and believe it's a religious duty.
They could be employed to be an asymmetric cost effective force, and act as a back up or as front runners with the traditional militaries acting as back up.
_Arabia_
Trusted Member
Which is why I was always critical of this nonsense peace deal which was always a joint Israeli and US creation that did not address any of the underlining problems at play (plight of Palestinians, Palestinian statehood, Palestinian unity government etc.) The only reason why I supported it begrudgingly was because it stopped the genocide but even that turned out to be a false thing, as I an many others feared, because Israel has broken the deal on numerous occasions and some 350 Palestinians have been killed since the deal was signed.
I always found it incredibly strange why the hordes of pro-Egyptian regime Egyptians/bots online were hailing this useless summit in Egypt this much and why they were trying to create a narrative of "everything being fine soon" and acting like Israel/US were reigned in.
While it was always painfully clear that this entire peace deal was only brokered because Israel was losing the propaganda war and losing sympathy among even average Americans. If you read all the points, outside of lack of expulsion of Gazans, it reads like a surrender document and is purely pro-Israel/US in nature.
It only served its role as something that could end the genocide (proven not to even be the case) but outside of that is is completely useless because it does not tackle the main underlining and most important topics, namely how to achieve a lasting just peace and how to and when to create a Palestinian state.
Disarming Hamas and other militant factions and creating a US/Israel controlled Palestinian faction completely beholden to Israel/West, is just creating another West Bank which is slowly eaten up by illegal Israeli settlements while we speak.
I don't know how any serious Muslim or Arab leadership (in particular the supposed 3-4 guarantors of this deal) could sign such a thing, unless the alternative was much worse.
Yet to make any sense to me but maybe I am missing everything and completely clueless, could be the case.
Falcon29
Elite Member
America is Babylon. It's populated by demented criminals that all share a God complex.
Sooner or later God will annihilate the USA because it's populated by degenerate demons that purposefully go against their own morals that God gave them.
To do that, you have to be engaging in devil worship. It's not natural.
Sooner or later God will annihilate the USA because it's populated by degenerate demons that purposefully go against their own morals that God gave them.
To do that, you have to be engaging in devil worship. It's not natural.
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