AMCA vs KAAN vs KF-21 India Turkey & Korea’s Fighter Jets Battle For Air Supremacy—Who Leads The Pack? OP-ED

[panzerfaust 3]

It was very common during cold war for both soviets and west to copy and steal steal each other designs.Like concord - TU144 harreir - Yak38 and many other designs however the final product was developed using their own scientists and technology.

Hmm correct
I might go as far as to to say that Sukhoi itself was involved in studying a f-14 ,later they came up with su-27
And USA doing the same thing with mig-29!

My argument for Indian designs is not that it was stolen or copied but that it was outsourced to the west and was done legally.

Hmm we have nothing to hide ,as a matter of fact we had a french team of technitians to help us with the initial design phase of tejas
Even Indian government never hid this fact.
As for marut our first jet ,we had Kurt tank

But I doubt that the south african fighter you mentioned has anything to do with tejas

 

[panzerfaust 3]

Only on testbed aircraft not on Tejas

It will be tested on tejas

And your uttam chuttam is based on israeli tech

It's an indigenous development, Israelis have been helpful but not that helpful
This radar was designed by LRDE ,famous for building rajendra ,Indra and ,NETRA AESA for aew&c and long range tracking radar which is and 3D AESA
we are also in process of building a radar for Sukhoi Called virupaksha to be used in upcoming projects

Can I list you? And you engine and radar are also based on foreign tech

Yes please go ahead

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

t will be tested on tejas

you want to directly tests it on Tejas, god help you than lol, for safety reasons all engines are testing on ground than testbed on the air and then it intended platform, if you want to skip these two steps than I will pray for Tejas and its pilot if anything wrong will happen with engine during testing

It's an indigenous development, Israelis have been helpful but not that helpful
This radar was designed by LRDE ,famous for building rajendra ,Indra and ,NETRA AESA for aew&c and long range tracking radar which is and 3D AESA
we are also in process of building a radar for Sukhoi Called virupaksha to be used in upcoming projects
Yes please go ahead

Ok you're hyperpower of entire universe no one helped you you developed these techs by yourself now happy now shoo, get a hike kid lol

 

[panzerfaust 3]

you want to directly tests it on Tejas, god help you than lol, for safety reasons all engines are testing on ground than testbed on the air and then it intended platform, if you want to skip these two steps than I will pray for Tejas and its pilot if anything wrong will happen with engine during testing

Man! It's really hard to explain something to you
Testing on the ground and on the IL76 has been completed!
Now a Sukhoi testbed will be utilised and later a tejas

Ok you're hyperpower of entire universe no one helped you you developed these techs by yourself now happy now shoo, get a hike kid lol

Okay okay relax
Iam getting out of your hair

 

[hodor]

My opinion is that Turkey will compromise on the engine of KAAN, choose EJ200, in exchange for the early service of KAAN. Because of the growing threat of Israel to Turkey, Turkey has no time to wait.

As for KF-21, my opinion is that its future is suppressed by the United States like FA-50, and it will not have much prospects. Regardless of whether the US will decline, the US will suppress the KF-21.

As for their current performance, it doesn't really matter. They actually don't have stealth capabilities now. What really needs to be compared is their future.

That's why I say the Turks need to compromise. They can't find a proper engine anywhere, and a modified design for the EJ200 is the only way.

Turkey is willing to pay a unit price of 400 million pounds for the EF-2000 now. With such a high price, it is still an interceptor, the pressure on Turkey must be very high now.

Look at the Middle East, every country is going crazy with military build-up. Turkey can't wait.

Your unbiased comments are great

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

Man! It's really hard to explain something to you
Testing on the ground and on the IL76 has been completed!
Now a Sukhoi testbed will be utilised and later a tejas

Okay okay relax
Iam getting out of your hair
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Is that you?

 

[Afif]

2nd, KAAN, roughly at the level of a "4.25th Gen fighter"
Turkey lacks an advanced electronics industry, nor does it possess the necessary in-depth industrial capabilities. They only possess limited assembly capabilities. The KAAN mimics a fifth-generation fighter aircraft in appearance, but its internal assembly is only comparable to that of a fourth-generation fighter aircraft (though, of course, they boast that the KAAN is a highly advanced fifth-generation fighter).

That is arrogance at its best. While Turkey still luck self-sufficiency in engine tech. They have come quite far in defence electronics. Aselsan's new generations of homegrown GaN AESA radars and advanced EO sensors are testimony to that.

Also, did TAI give you a tour into KAAN manufacturering facility so you know that its internal assembly is comparable to 4th gen fighter? Or did you come up with that from nowhere?

KAAN, whatever stage it is in right now, still looks more indigenous than F35's copycat design of J35.

 

[iblini]

That is arrogance at its best. While Turkey still luck self-sufficiency in engine tech. They have come quite far in defence electronics. Aselsan's new generations of homegrown GaN AESA radars and advanced EO sensors are testimony to that.

Also, did TAI give you a tour into KAAN manufacturering facility so you know that its internal assembly is comparable to 4th gen fighter? Or did you come up with that from nowhere?

KAAN, whatever stage it is in right now, still looks more indigenous than F35's copycat design of J35.

ok Turkey is more advanced, happy?

 

[Deino]

AMCA vs. KAAN vs. KF-21: India, Turkey & Korea’s Fighter Jets Battle For Air Supremacy—Who Leads The Pack? OP-ED….​

2 of these are actual planes. One is a concept.

Really a funny thread and perfectly summarised again by @Yasser76

The AMCA is not leading since for many years to come will remain a CAD-file, the KF-21 is a good one and Kaan is as long as its engines are not ready another wet-dream, therefore the one which is leading the pack is the one which was deliberately - aka typical Indian - invited; namely the J-35!

 

[Flotilla]

Really a funny thread and perfectly summarised again by @Yasser76

The AMCA is not leading since for many years to come will remain a CAD-file, the KF-21 is a good one and Kaan is as long as its engines are not ready another wet-dream, therefore the one which is leading the pack is the one which was deliberately - aka typical Indian - invited; namely the J-35!

Remember J20 was another wet dream with their AL31 engines of even firsts batchs of that fighter. Sometimes you're acting like a Brit or french guy.

 

[MH.Yang]

Remember J20 was another wet dream with their AL31 engines of even firsts batchs of that fighter. Sometimes you're acting like a Brit or french guy.

yes, a few of the early J-20s could not achieve supersonic cruise because they used AL30 engines. But that's only a small quantity of J-20.

The main force of J-20s are flying with WS-10C WS-15. These are two standard high-thrust engines.

What you are getting at by mentioning the early J-20? You mean KAAN could do the same?

 

[Deino]

Remember J20 was another wet dream with their AL31 engines of even firsts batchs of that fighter. Sometimes you're acting like a Brit or french guy.

The J-20 was not a wet-dream, it only used an available interim engine that indeed limited its initial capabilities.

The difference however is, unlike Turkey which is offending almost anyone around with its politics and wild boasted claims while still being heavily reliant on these initial engines, China was never such a Big mouth to Russia.

As such, it was always a much more realistic approach …

 

[Flotilla]

The J-20 was not a wet-dream, it only used an available interim engine that indeed limited its initial capabilities.

Same as KAAN.
Instead of laughing of turkish and iranian people you must be cautious. J20 used russian engines as KAAN is using western GE110.

Turkey is a 80 million people country and much more limited resources. While China was re-frying russian Mig21 trainers until late 2000, Turkey did a brand new supersonic trainer.

Moreover they´re modernizing their F16 fleet and purchasing Typhoons for allowing a long time needed maturing program for the KAAN.

China copied during more than 30 years Migs, Sukhois and all even transport aircraft and most of the western nations were not laughing of chinese people. You should show more respect to other nations, even if you (or me) don´t like their president or government.

 

[MH.Yang]

Same as KAAN.
Instead of laughing of turkish and iranian people you must be cautious. J20 used russian engines as KAAN is using western GE110.

Turkey is a 80 million people country and much more limited resources. While China was re-frying russian Mig21 trainers until late 2000, Turkey did a brand new supersonic trainer.

Moreover they´re modernizing their F16 fleet and purchasing Typhoons for allowing a long time needed maturing program for the KAAN.

China copied during more than 30 years Migs, Sukhois and all even transport aircraft and most of the western nations were not laughing of chinese people. You should show more respect to other nations, even if you (or me) don´t like their president or government.

No one is laughing at Turkey. When Turkey dares to develop its own 5G fighter, its technological strength and courage are already worthy of respect.

We just questioning the claim that "Turkey will successfully develop a high-thrust engine in a few years", and this questioning is logical.

 

[Deino]

Same as KAAN.
Instead of laughing of turkish and iranian people you must be cautious. J20 used russian engines as KAAN is using western GE110.

Turkey is a 80 million people country and much more limited resources. While China was re-frying russian Mig21 trainers until late 2000, Turkey did a brand new supersonic trainer.

Moreover they´re modernizing their F16 fleet and purchasing Typhoons for allowing a long time needed maturing program for the KAAN.

China copied during more than 30 years Migs, Sukhois and all even transport aircraft and most of the western nations were not laughing of chinese people. You should show more respect to other nations, even if you (or me) don´t like their president or government.

I think there's really no point in explaining it again because you simply don't want to understand what I'm saying and are deliberately misinterpreting everything: It's not that I'm laughing at Turkey and its achievements—especially with drones—it's just the constant spouting of completely unrealistic announcements because it's not that easy to develop a high-end engine of this kind. It doesn't help that they spent years building and assembling F-110s, that they acquired certain key technologies; it has to work as a complete system, and the experiences in China, in Russia... everywhere show that this is difficult!

But as I said, you're deliberately misunderstanding me!