Sudan Civil war 2023 - present

The Guardian UK reported that between January 2015 and September 2024, the British government issued 26 licences for the permanent export of military training devices in the “ML14” category, which includes products manufactured by Militec, to the United Arab Emirates (UAE).

The report also revealed that on 27 September 2024, three months after the United Nations first received evidence of British-made equipment in Sudan, the UK government approved an open individual export licence for the same category of products to the UAE. Such licences allow unlimited quantities of equipment to be exported without strict end-use monitoring


 
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Sponsored by UAE, Chinese aiedefence systems. Lets see hownthis wil end, uae the zionists of the gulf cpuntries.
 
Posting it in this thread as it is more fitting.

UAE is funding a genocide for mining rights and resources. In co-operation with other countries . It’s all about Gold.
Far too simplistic. See my post 7 in this thread below:


Basically Al-Bashir was removed in 2019 after 30 years of rule.

He was ousted by a military coup back in 2019 (ironically how he himself came to power back in 1989) after large-scale protests prior:



He was replaced by those guys:


The coup in 2019 was done by both al-Burhan and Hemeti. They were close allies back then.

Both Al-Burhan (today SAF) and Hemeti (RSF) were part of the previous Al-Bashir government (they held key positions in the regime) as well and both were part of the coup in 2019 (leaders in fact) and both were part of the Transitional Military Council in 2019.

Things went south when both tried to gain full power.

Al-Burhan (SAF) made another coup back in 2021 and he took power and proclaimed himself as the president.


Afterwards more instability which all culminated back in April 2023 when the current civil war began.


Sudan itself has had 20 (!) coups since 1956 (independence).


There are no good sides in this civil war nor is one side Islamist or anti-Islamist. It is all a fight for power and control of Sudan with outside backers as well.

Both parties have committed war crimes.

RSF war crimes against locals in Darfur are part of very old ethnic/tribal tensions. This went on long before any UAE involvement but was even worse during the Islamist (on paper) rule by Al-Bashir.


UAE are no saints here but there is a lot of nonsense online now that somehow aims at blaming UAE for the faults of internal Sudanese dynamics.

The outside parties that have tried to do the most to stop this war are neighbors KSA and Egypt but both sides (SAF and RSF) are stubborn and not interested in peace or compromises hence this stupid/moronic civil war. Both are supporting (on paper at least) the SAF (Al-Burhan).

As I see it, neither SAF nor RSF are the "good guys" here. The Sudanese people are hostages of both and neither SAF nor RSF have implemented the promises that the Sudanese people wanted to see after removing Al-Bashir from power.

Nothing has really changed. Nobody was ever elected. Just military persons (old Al-Bashir allies) fighting for power and proclaiming themselves as leaders (presidents).

Not what the Sudanese people wanted when they removed Al-Bashir back in 2019.

Somebody has to intervene, ideally KSA and Egypt, but I don't think leadership is willing or ready to do so as you are almost always bound to lose when you interfere in civil wars as an outsider.
 
Posting it in this thread as it is more fitting.


Far too simplistic. See my post 7 in this thread below:


Basically Al-Bashir was removed in 2019 after 30 years of rule.

He was ousted by a military coup back in 2019 (ironically how he himself came to power back in 1989) after large-scale protests prior:



He was replaced by those guys:


The coup in 2019 was done by both al-Burhan and Hemeti. They were close allies back then.

Both Al-Burhan (today SAF) and Hemeti (RSF) were part of the previous Al-Bashir government (they held key positions in the regime) as well and both were part of the coup in 2019 (leaders in fact) and both were part of the Transitional Military Council in 2019.

Things went south when both tried to gain full power.

Al-Burhan (SAF) made another coup back in 2021 and he took power and proclaimed himself as the president.


Afterwards more instability which all culminated back in April 2023 when the current civil war began.


Sudan itself has had 20 (!) coups since 1956 (independence).


There are no good sides in this civil war nor is one side Islamist or anti-Islamist. It is all a fight for power and control of Sudan with outside backers as well.

Both parties have committed war crimes.

RSF war crimes against locals in Darfur are part of very old ethnic/tribal tensions. This went on long before any UAE involvement but was even worse during the Islamist (on paper) rule by Al-Bashir.


UAE are no saints here but there is a lot of nonsense online now that somehow aims at blaming UAE for the faults of internal Sudanese dynamics.

The outside parties that have tried to do the most to stop this war are neighbors KSA and Egypt but both sides (SAF and RSF) are stubborn and not interested in peace or compromises hence this stupid/moronic civil war. Both are supporting (on paper at least) the SAF (Al-Burhan).

As I see it, neither SAF nor RSF are the "good guys" here. The Sudanese people are hostages of both and neither SAF nor RSF have implemented the promises that the Sudanese people wanted to see after removing Al-Bashir from power.

Nothing has really changed. Nobody was ever elected. Just military persons (old Al-Bashir allies) fighting for power and proclaiming themselves as leaders (presidents).

Not what the Sudanese people wanted when they removed Al-Bashir back in 2019.

Somebody has to intervene, ideally KSA and Egypt, but I don't think leadership is willing or ready to do so as you are almost always bound to lose when you interfere in civil wars as an outsider.




Mine is a lot more to reality. Bashir was propped up by Egypt. Then SAF and RSF jointly ousted/ replaced him. Then Egypt backed SAF against RSF. Then RSF (Hemedti) asked for backing from Saudi and UAE because he had previously helped them in Yemen. But SAF couldn't remove Bashir without RSF. I don't think there's a right side worth backing, meanwhile there is slaughter going on.

it's Arabs letting it happen. Stop excusing Arab colonisers . Sicko UAE gets a lot of Gold from Sudan and the RSF.
 
Mine is a lot more to reality. Bashir was propped up by Egypt. Then SAF and RSF jointly ousted/ replaced him. Then Egypt backed SAF against RSF. Then RSF (Hemedti) asked for backing from Saudi and UAE because he had previously helped them in Yemen. But SAF couldn't remove Bashir without RSF. I don't think there's a right side worth backing, meanwhile there is slaughter going on.

it's Arabs letting it happen. Stop excusing Arab colonisers . Sicko UAE gets a lot of Gold from Sudan and the RSF.
KSA did not support RSF. When Sudan was involved in Yemen (both what later became SAF and RSF under Al-Bashir mostly, Sudanese involvement ended back in 2020, 3 years before this current civil war) both what is today RSF and SAF were on the same side as I wrote.

What are you blabbering about? "Arabs letting it happen, "Arab colonizers"?

You do realize that there have been 20 coups in Sudan since 1956 (independence) and that Arabs nor any other outsiders are not to blame for Sudanese killing each other and Sudan having had numerous bloody civil wars in the modern period? This is the fault of the Sudanese people and disunity before anything else.

There are no "Arab colonizers" in Sudan, vast majority of Sudanese are Arabs ffs. Both RSF and SAF are that. Genetically Sudanese derive half of their ancestry from Arabia (paternally even more) while the rest is mixed with local Cushitic (Nubian etc.) and Nilotic peoples.


Skin color those not matter here, in particular as Arabs intermarried with local Cushitic and Nilotic women even before Islam. All it takes is an Arabian marrying with a Nubian women and their children will look "African".

Sudanese Arabs are genetically (large degree), linguistically and culturally (of course Sudanese Arabs have a distinct culture like every Arab group, there are differences between Sudanese Arabs as well, substantial between Sudanese Arabs based in Port Sudan, Khartoum, the Rashaida and say the Shuwa/Beggara Arabs in the West) Arabs.

And the non-Arab groups in North Sudan are all mostly Muslim, Arabized to a great extent and also speak Arabic like in Darfur and elsewhere.

You can be an African, Arab and Black at the same time. You can be African, lighter-skinned and Arab as well. Sudanese Arabs have all skin types available and race/identity is based on language, tribe/clan/ethnicity rather than appearance.

BTW, Sudanese Arabic has been heavily influenced by Hejazi Arabic. Even closer than to Egyptian Arabic. KSA hosts the largest Sudanese expat community in the world and there are millennia old ties between Sudan/Nubia and Hejaz/Arabia.

KSA is probably the favorite Arab country among regular Sudanese people. We (Saudi Arabians) have a weak spot for our Sudanese brothers and sisters and we love their warmth and humor. Yes, there are some racist among us and bad apples (like in every population and group of people) but overall we have excellent and brotherly people/to people relations which most Sudanese people can attest to.

So your colonization remark was not only stupid and ignorant but outright false and Arab Sudanese would consider it as an insult towards themselves.

As for UAE, I completely disagree with their role in Sudan or ANY other outsiders FUELING the CIVIL WAR by supporting x or y group. The goal should be for the civil war to end and for the aspirations of the Sudanese people to be heard. Replacing 1 dictator (Al-Bashir) with another (Hemedti or Al-Burhan or someone else) is not what the Sudanese people want. They want progress, stability, peace and an effective and representative government. Something that they have never really had the privilege to enjoy in their modern history since gaining independence in 1956.

Hence why the South (another whole history to begin with) eventually left the nation back in 2011 after decades of wars and conflict. Back then you had accusations of ethnic cleansing, genocide and what not as well.

Whatever fuels this, such incidents are pretty unique in the Arab world in this regard. So judging from modern/recent history it seems a fairly unique Sudanese element.
 
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Those war crimes in Darfur against non-Arabic speaking peoples have nothing to do with Islam or Sudanese culture/civilization. Those are the works of criminals. I don't even believe that it is sanctioned by Hamedti or the RSF leadership as it would be counterproductive for their stronghold of Darfur/West Sudan. Probably local warlords trying to kill/eliminate potential rivals/enemies (as they see them) and political rivals. There have been killings by both sides as well BTW (anti-RSF groups) but this does not receive the same coverage . This goes way back to the Al-Bashir era and probably before. Much of it is about land disputes, grazing lands and greed.

The Zaghawa, Fur and Masalit peoples (Nilo-Saharan peoples of Darfur) are all Muslims and all use Arabic as a lingua franca to communicate with all the different ethnic groups of the region.

Many also look alike within the region (the Sudanese Arabs in Darfur) and have been intermarrying.

So the whole propaganda of "Arabs" killing Africans (as if Sudanese Arabs are not Africans or "Black" in appearance by large themselves) is propaganda.

Seen many Zionists/Jews/anti-Muslims/anti-Arabs try to spin it this way when they have no clues about what they are even talking about. It is false/dishonest framing for geopolitical reasons and to whitewash Zionist crimes in Gaza/West Bank with the excuse "look Arabs are killing African Muslims". Same propaganda that SDF/Kurds have been trying to use (without success) in SDF-occupied Syria (majority Arab, SDF itself too). False as well.

The same rhetoric was used during the North/South conflict and now after the South gained independence (2011) the same inter-ethnic rivalries and mass-killings are ongoing in South Sudan with no Arabs in sight. People should not fall for this rhetoric but make their own research.
 
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Those war crimes in Darfur against non-Arabic speaking peoples have nothing to do with Islam or Sudanese culture/civilization. Those are the works of criminals. I don't even believe that it is sanctioned by Hamedti or the RSF leadership as it would be counterproductive for their stronghold of Darfur/West Sudan. Probably local warlords trying to kill/eliminate potential rivals/enemies (as they see them) and political rivals. There have been killings by both sides as well BTW (anti-RSF groups) but this does not receive the same coverage . This goes way back to the Al-Bashir era and probably before. Much of it is about land disputes, grazing lands and greed.

The Zaghawa, Fur and Masalit peoples (Nilo-Saharan peoples of Darfur) are all Muslims and all use Arabic as a lingua franca to communicate with all the different ethnic groups of the region.

Many also look alike within the region (the Sudanese Arabs in Darfur) and have been intermarrying.

So the whole propaganda of "Arabs" killing Africans (as if Sudanese Arabs are not Africans or "Black" in appearance by large themselves) is propaganda.

Seen many Zionists/Jews/anti-Muslims/anti-Arabs try to spin it this way when they have no clues about what they are even talking about. It is false/dishonest framing for geopolitical reasons and to whitewash Zionist crimes in Gaza/West Bank with the excuse "look Arabs are killing African Muslims". Same propaganda that SDF/Kurds have been trying to use (without success) in SDF-occupied Syria (majority Arab, SDF itself too). False as well.

The same rhetoric was used during the North/South conflict and now after the South gained independence (2011) the same inter-ethnic rivalries and mass-killings are ongoing in South Sudan with no Arabs in sight. People should not fall for this rhetoric but make their own research.

The people of Africa have suffered enough from military campaigns in the name of national security, dignity, and peace—campaigns that ultimately lead to death.

I hope that the war against Al-former pm Bashir’s (Allah yarhamo) generals Burhan will end thus year of the Rapid Support Unit, Ghibti Dagalo, and they will be able to walk the streets without trial.

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Basically Al-Bashir was removed in 2019 after 30 years of rule.

He was ousted by a military coup back in 2019 (ironically how he himself came to power back in 1989)
And that's the irony,Bashir came to power with a coup,these two came to power with a coup,then Burhan wanted to curb Dagalo's influence of the RSF and Dagalo saw this as a threat to his power so he launched a coup against Burhan,which turned into a full war.
 
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Yet we have trolls here claiming (having no clue about Sudan at all, not even being able to locate it on a map) saying that KSA is supporting the RSF.
 
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Maybe someone can clarify, why is UAE supporting RSF who by all accounts look like a ISIS style terror group, ironically they call themselves secular and anti islam.
 

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