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[PakAl]

I call a BIG bullshit on that one because PMLN’s own sources revealed how military establishment was in direct talks with Shehbaz Sharif and even hand-picked members of his cabinet prior to 2018 elections. The original plan was thus always to install Shehbaz as PM by hook or crook, and the long chain of events which followed to date is an undeniable proof of that.

It started during general Mushraff time when he made announcement that Pakistan needs a 3rd way between Pmln and PPP, both parties come to power in turn. After retiring he then made his own party which failed, but the policy continued. Dr tahir ul qadri started his long march, criticised Pmln and its policies, called for law, independent institutions, to make Pakistan strong, then IK suddenly started similar movement. Establishment hated Nawaz Sharif, Raheel Sharif and Nawaz Sharif had fall out many times. No doubt establishment supported IK to power, IK himself claimed this is the first time establishment and government is on same page, IK praised Bajwa many times, it was true aswell. All until it went downhill and that is a long story.

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[PakAl]

So that means all the rest of lying politicians who are currently in power never made any mistakes? Why aren’t they also in prison like Imran Khan?

They all cut a deal, to behave and submit.

 

[PakAl]

I leave you with this, friend.

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5000 fighters, we're they armed and dangerous or those who layed down arms to settle back in Pakistan with families. The army would never agree to allow active terorrists back, or else Bajwa, his deputies, ISI commanders in charge are all guilty. The current generals were also part of the same setup. This is why I said its all propaganda. The tribal areas are full of FC, agencies, police and army. The fighters cross international border from the mountains, they attack and run off, you cannot chase them except on foot, they also hide and attack armed forces. This is what has been happening for the past 20 years.

 

[Forsvaret]

IK himself claimed this is the first time establishment and government is on same page…

"Same page" in this sense only meant that the military establishment was "okay" with Imran Khan and his PTI coming to power. It however did not mean that the military systematically rigged the elections in PTI’s favor through fake form 47s like they did in PDM’s favor when they installed current fake govt post 2024 general elections.

 

[diaspora]

5000 fighters, we're they armed and dangerous or those who layed down arms to settle back in Pakistan with families. The army would never agree to allow active terorrists back, or else Bajwa, his deputies, ISI commanders in charge are all guilty. The current generals were also part of the same setup. This is why I said its all propaganda. The tribal areas are full of FC, agencies, police and army. The fighters cross international border from the mountains, they attack and run off, you cannot chase them except on foot, they also hide and attack armed forces. This is what has been happening for the past 20 years.

Agreed, Bajwa and Faiz are a 100% guilty. Terror attacks started rising again after Khan announced to resette the tribal belt with these terrorist.

 

[PakAl]

"Same page" in this sense only meant that military establishment was "okay" with Imran Khan and his PTI coming to power. It’s not like the military systematically rigged the elections in PTI’s favor through fake form 47 as they did when they installed current PDM govt post 2024 general elections.

No I don't think they rigged but they backed him 100%, they encouraged or pressurised the electables to join PTI, 24 7 media coverage was given to PTI and Dr Tahir Qadri party. The electables always do this, after PPP finished its 5 years suddenly 50 60 MNA used to switch over, and same when Pmln finished 5 years, only this time they joined PTI. Since crackdown on PTI atleast 150 MNAs MPAs left, possibly close to 200 (i haven't updated my numbers). I agree post 2024 elections were rigged, everyone knows lol.

 

[Forsvaret]

They all cut a deal, to behave and submit.

And since Imran Khan ain’t cutting a deal with military establishment, does this still make him the "same" lying politician seeking power as the rest?

 

[PakAl]

"Same page" in this sense only meant that the military establishment was "okay" with Imran Khan and his PTI coming to power. It however did not mean that the military systematically rigged the elections in PTI’s favor through fake form 47s like they did in PDM’s favor when they installed current fake govt post 2024 general elections.

No but Generals 100% backed IK to power, even PTI people admit this. It is well known they worked together, just like it is well known the current setup is military backed and badde mian has been sidelined. One was done thorough decade of hardwork and one through emergency means.

 

[Forsvaret]

Terror attacks started rising again after Khan announced to resette the tribal belt with these terrorist.

Both Imran Khan and his then cabinet ministers such as Murad Saeed have unequivocally denied this ever occurred. They did confirm that military establishment of the time (Bajwa+Faiz) discussed this resettlement plan in cabinet meetings prior to PM Imran Khan’s dismissal in VONC but didn’t get govt’s nod. If this resettlement occurred post VONC, then how the heck are you even blaming Imran govt for this debacle?

 

[Forsvaret]

No but Generals 100% backed IK to power, even PTI people admit this.

Backing someone to power through illegitimate means such as current fake mandate PDM govt and backing someone who simply came into power through legitimate votes is VERY different things.

 

[Respect4Respect]

PTI followers knew very well about Jahangir Tahreen, Aleem Khan and the rest, this message reached Imran Khan and he said don't worry about them, you vote for your PTI, Imran Khan and Pakistan. Imran Khan allowed the electables in the party to get in power, this is the fact. In AJK majority were ex PPP, Pmln guys and once their wealth was threatened they changed sides. Everyone knew this would happen including IK. Like I said without electables he wouldn't have got in power. I think to blame everything on the establishment is also unfair. After IK removal Bajwa tried to call him but IK refused to talk to anyone, he declared war on them, the media propaganda, anchor attacks and the rest, slowly the tables turned and now establishment refuses to talk.

If a person wants to be fair he must highlight both sides views and then reach an conclusion. Its unfortunate what happened and it was Pakistanis who lost out.

PTI supporters always wanted fresh leadership but the reality of Pakistani politics was different. For decades votes were tied to baradari and family names rather than principles or ideology. That’s why bringing in electables like Shah Mahmood Qureshi and Javed Hashmi was necessary to push PTI into the mainstream.
I think the difference was that PTI at least tried to break the cycle. It gave opportunities to people outside the dynastic mold like Usman Buzdar that other parties would never allow.

 

[Forsvaret]

I think the difference was that PTI at least tried to break the cycle.

PTI govt even gave the people the right to vote through electronic voting machines including overseas Pakistanis. Of course, all of this was swiftly reversed by the mighty forces of the status quo (military+PDM), soon after PM Imran Khan’s dismissal in VONC. :

National Assembly reverses EVM use, voting rights for overseas Pakistanis ​

Similarly, the Election Act amendment bill 2022 also sailed through the National Assembly yesterday, reversing PTI-led government’s measure to give voting rights to overseas Pakistanis and use of electronic voting machines during the next elections.

Senate passes bills to reverse EVM use, overseas voting, NAB powers

The Senate on Friday passed Election Act amendment bill 2022 and National Accountability Ordinance Amendment Bill 2022 with a majority vote.

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[Respect4Respect]

Backing someone to power through illegitimate means such as current fake mandate PDM govt and backing someone who simply came into power through legitimate votes is VERY different things.

Generals can back whoever they want but that doesn’t win elections. Power comes from support on the ground and that’s what makes politicians viable in the first place. Shahid Afridi might be extremely popular, but how do you make him prime minister if nobody votes for him? Establishment brought Mustafa Kamal back but he failed to replace MQM in Karachi, so that means GHQ doesn't have a magic wand that turns random people into prime minsters.

 

[PakAl]

Agreed, Bajwa and Faiz are a 100% guilty. Terror attacks started rising again after Khan announced to resette the tribal belt with these terrorist.

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Sorry but it wasn't just Faiz and Bajwa, it was the decision of the military, including those commanders who are in power right now. I give you example, former DGISI Nadeem Anjum clearly mentioned that he and his commanders have debates, brainstorm before making decisions, it's not one man job. The same way General Mushraff was accused of imposing emergency and lal Masjid operations but he said it wasn't his alone decision but his commanders agreed, the same guys who were in power when Mushraff retired.

We simply don't know the real situation of these resettlements, it's highly possible the 5000 militants agreed to not fight Pakistan and become good citizens, just like 1000s of Baloch rebels surrender and are allowed to settleback. Today we have 1000s of armed forces in tribal areas, 1000s of agents, informers, allies, police and the state keeps pointing fingers at resettlements for the increase of terrorism. How are these militants getting weapons, you see the militants have 1000s of ways to enter through the mountains, after all they were trained by CIA and ISI. Imran and Faiz idea was to win the hearts and minds of the locals, then isolate the extremists and finish them off, it wasn't going to take months but decades to do this since they have been brainwashed since the 1980s, we cannot bomb and kill millions, we have to win the people over, this will stop the recruitment. We must also keep in mind no resettlements happened in Balochistan but terrorist attacks increased, is that also Imran Khan fault. The violence increased with Nato leaving and Afghanistan becoming more lawless, the Taliban a militia itself doesn't have control over Afghanistan, if we as a powerful nation are unable to control our own nation then how can Taliban do it, it will take a long time and I am sure many foreign agencies are operating in these regions.

 

[Oscar]

IK was told many times to not work with the establishment to fight Nawaz Sharif and Zardari but he didn't listen. He made many mistakes. Political immaturity is not acceptable at this level. I still believe he can make amends and come out of jail, stay low for a few years and slowly get back in the game, the current generals will be retired by then aswell. Not sure who advices IK.

IK is assuming his cornered tiger strategy would work and the Generals are assuming they have a Bhutto they can kill and move on with.
Without realizing that while there are parallels there are also differences.
IK is serving as the defacto Mujib for KP - and that is not dawning upon the Generals that by not letting him out they are fanning more ethnonationalist fires instead of worrying about one guy who loves being on containers.