TF-X / KAAN / Hürjet Turkish Fighter & Trainer Aircrafts News & Discussions

[Deino]

There can be European engine options as well . .. as alternative

No, there is no European engine available with the F110 or comparable dimensions.

 

[hyperman]

There can be European engine options as well . .. as alternative

No European engine in this class exists, there are only 3 countries that have a similar engine, and those are US, Russia and China.

 

[Merzifonlu]

No, there is no European engine available with the F110 or comparable dimensions.

And there isn't a European engine in that thrust class.

 

[Deino]

And there isn't a European engine in that thrust class.

Unfortunately this is true … both the EJ200 and M88 are alone size-wise medium.thrust engines comparable in size to the F404/414.

So to fit Kaan or be within the league of the other big boys like AL-31/41, WS-10B/C or F100/110 - let alone the true heavy ones like F-119, F139, WS-15 and maybe AL-51 - their diameter must be increased making this development then de facto a new engine!

 

[Merzifonlu]

At present, there are six engines suitable for the Kaan, but three are unavailable. The P&W F119 (no longer in production), the AL-51F1 (not sold by Russia), and the WS-15 (not sold by China)

The available options include the GE F110, AL-41F1, and WS-10B/C.

The P&W F135 is too large, and the USA is unlikely to sell it. Additionally, there are no suitable twin-engine models available.

If you take a closer look at the performance targets set for the TF35000 engine, you'll notice they match the actual values of the P&W F119 engine.

 

[hyperman]

At present, there are six engines suitable for the Kaan, but three are unavailable. The P&W F119 (no longer in production), the AL-51F1 (not sold by Russia), and the WS-15 (not sold by China)

The available options include the GE F110, AL-41F1, and WS-10B/C.

The P&W F135 is too large, and the USA is unlikely to sell it. Additionally, there are no suitable twin-engine models available.

If you take a closer look at the performance targets set for the TF35000 engine, you'll notice they match the actual values of the P&W F119 engine.

Just as the Altay issue was solved, so too will this issue be solved, they can only delay, they cannot stop.

 

[Flotilla]

At present, there are six engines suitable for the Kaan, but three are unavailable. The P&W F119 (no longer in production), the AL-51F1 (not sold by Russia), and the WS-15 (not sold by China)

The available options include the GE F110, AL-41F1, and WS-10B/C.

The P&W F135 is too large, and the USA is unlikely to sell it. Additionally, there are no suitable twin-engine models available.

If you take a closer look at the performance targets set for the TF35000 engine, you'll notice they match the actual values of the P&W F119 engine.

The P1 prototype seems to be wider. Could it mean that the fuselage has been modified to fit an alternative engine or even just enlarged to fit TF35000? . Just speculating.

 

[royalharris]

Is not a big deal

Pay uk money let them make a new design which can use EJ200 engine

Then make a new produce schedule, it is not important whether it can realize on time or not, whose knows, it is dozens of years later. but it can be used to boast.

 

[Merzifonlu]

Just as the Altay issue was solved, so too will this issue be solved, they can only delay, they cannot stop.

That's true, but there's a key distinction. The significance of tanks has greatly decreased due to FPV drones, drones like the TB2, ATGMs, and even laser-guided artillery rockets. This is why the considerable delay in the Altay Project was more tolerable.

On the other hand, the importance of 5th-generation aircraft remains largely unchanged. As a result, any delay in the Kaan Project is unacceptable. This urgency is exactly why the push to acquire EFs was initiated.

 

[MMM-E]

On the other hand, the importance of 5th-generation aircraft remains largely unchanged. As a result, any delay in the Kaan Project is unacceptable. This urgency is exactly why the push to acquire EFs was initiated.

Türkiye has a significant advantage . its unmanned stealth Fighter Jet - UCAV technologies


Until 2030 , TF-6.000/TF-10.000 Engines can be ready to power the ANKA-3/4 unmanned stealth Fighter Jets

until 2030 , MURAD-100A AESA Radar and 185+ km GOKBORA ramjet powered air to air missile will be combat ready


1 -- until 2030 , ANKA-3 flying wing stealth UCAV will be combat ready for SEAD-DEAD role and deep strike

2 -- Turkiye should focus on ANKA-4 unmanned stealth Fighter Jet for BVR combat

TAI has enough technology and experience to produce ANKA-4 unmanned stealth Fighter Jet like this



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Russian and Chinese Fighter Jets like SU-57 , J-35 are technologically weak and their RCS is too big for the 5th generation capability

The only 5th gen Fighter Jet that will cause us problems will be the F-35
But we can make it capable of dealing with numerical superiority.
( to produce 7 ANKA-3 /4 against 1 F-35 )

 

[MMM-E]

Same losers also said that KAAN is a plastic mock-up and that it would not fly before 2040

It will be a great pleasure to make fun of all these losers when we see KAAN flying with indigenous TF-35.000 Engine in 2029-2030 period

and the testing and integration process will be completed 2032-2035 period

 

[zzw001]

No, there is no European engine available with the F110 or comparable dimensions.

Technically Safran's M53 / RR's Spey are both the same class (in terms of dimension / air flow). They are both old 3rd gen low bypass turbofan so thrust produced is a lot lower than F110. But if they can power F-4 / M2000, they should be able to get KAAN flying (and testing) in the worst case scenario the US continues to deny Turkey F110s.

 

[zzw001]

Just as the Altay issue was solved, so too will this issue be solved, they can only delay, they cannot stop.

Altay was much easier to solve because Korea / France / Germany / Japan all produce their own diesel engines for 50 - 60t class MBTs domestically so it's a lot easier to source alternatives from suppliers. Most of these power plants are also ITAR free (as US is not the dominant producer in diesel engine) so the Americans cannot easily scupper Turkish access to alternative engines (unlike say European helicopter turboshafts which are often subject to ITAR).

High-thrust low-bypass afterburning turbofan is a different story as only US, Russia, and China currently produce power plants in this class (M53 & Spey from Europe have both been out of production for a while). To acquire these engines in meaningful quantity for mass production, Turkey needs a willing partner from one of USA, Russia, or China (both domestic option is ready) which is a much more limited universe than for diesel engines.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

At present, there are six engines suitable for the Kaan, but three are unavailable. The P&W F119 (no longer in production), the AL-51F1 (not sold by Russia), and the WS-15 (not sold by China)

The available options include the GE F110, AL-41F1, and WS-10B/C.

The P&W F135 is too large, and the USA is unlikely to sell it. Additionally, there are no suitable twin-engine models available.

If you take a closer look at the performance targets set for the TF35000 engine, you'll notice they match the actual values of the P&W F119 engine.

I think that China could soon open the export of the J-20 and WS-15 as both CAC and SAC need to rake more cash to sustain its 6th gen late development stage and 7th gen early development stage by exporting more 5th gen technology.

The J-20 and WS-15 are no new tech for China anymore.

If China got its variable cycle engine completed its ground testing and already being installed on J-36/J-50 protype 2.

 

[Merzifonlu]

Turkey needs a willing partner from one of USA, Russia, or China (both domestic option is ready) which is a much more limited universe than for diesel engines.

We utilized Turkish engineers based in Germany for the diesel engine and transmission. But let's not exaggerate; most of the work was handled by domestic engineers. Or rather, we hope so. We can't be certain that the issue is resolved until the first Altays produced with the BATU Power Pack enter the inventory.

Regarding turbofan engines, as I've written before, although the turbofan engine community is smaller than the diesel engine community, we were already a member of that community thanks to TEI. Therefore, we don't anticipate needing assistance in that area. But of course, we can't be certain of this until the TF35000 engine enters mass production. Time will tell.