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[F.O.X]

So, if military establishment thinks they have "fixed" Imran now, are they gonna repeat the same in the next general elections that are due in 4 years? If Imran Khan is still in the winning position, how are they gonna "fix" him then?

he has lost more than 60% youth support, he wont be winning again. not in this lifetime.

 

[F.O.X]

Yes, he was an idiot indeed who decided to fight for his principles and civilian supremacy instead of compromising and agreeing to a NRO to save Mr 10 percent.

What principles?

The same “principles” that said, “Let’s make my wife a board member in a multi-million-dollar trust,” just because there wasn’t a single person more qualified than her in a sea of 220 million people.

 

[Meengla]

That’s not quite accurate. The 2024 elections weren’t about denying anyone power; they were about correcting the misuse of it. What Imran Khan calls a “public mandate” is highly questionable, given the chaos, manipulation, and narrative control his team pushed before and during the elections.

Imran was given one FULL YEAR to build his bogus narrative that he was toppled by the Americans. Pakistanis are very anti American and so that 'Chooran' narrative sold like hot cakes and he gained a popularity which he never had before. Analyze even the 2024 elections and you see that his popular vote is only around 30%. In fact, no political party in Pakistan has ever even touched 40% popular votes and so it is fair to conclude that the majority of the population has always not voted for the ruling parties! The claim that Imran is supported by the majority of Pakistanis is totally bogus and shameful!

 

[Forsvaret]

Assembly as the Opposition Leader and gave a tough time to the PM Nawaz Sharif and eventually toppled him in 1993.

You’re again forgetting military establishment’s main role in that "toppling" of first sharif govt.

 

[Owaiz]

What principles?

The same “principles” that said, “Let’s make my wife a board member in a multi-million-dollar trust,” just because there wasn’t a single person more qualified than her in a sea of 220 million people.

Vox populi, vox dei. Let the people pronounce judgement on that. If the people think he is corrupt, he will be defeated in the elections.

 

[Forsvaret]

PTI has been in power in KPK for the past 13 years now ...... what have they achieved ?

Do you only ask this question to PTI or also PPP in Sindh that has been in power there consecutively since 2008!

 

[F.O.X]

Vox populi, vox dei. Let the people pronounce judgement on that. If the people think he is corrupt, he will be defeated in the elections.

still does not answer my question about his so called principles .....

 

[Forsvaret]

he has lost more than 60% youth support, he wont be winning again. not in this lifetime.

So why is military establishment currently launching new youth leaders such as Iqrar ul Hassan and projecting his image as some messiah for Pakistani youth?

 

[F.O.X]

Do you only ask this question to PTI or also PPP in Sindh that has been in power there consecutively since 2008!

why dont you start by telling me about PTI, I will ask others as well.

 

[ghazi52]

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[Owaiz]

still does not answer my question about his so called principles .....

I am not qualified to pass judgement on the principles of others and it is unlikely you are either.

 

[F.O.X]

I am not qualified to pass judgement on the principles of others and it is unlikely you are either.

then you are also not qualified to preach their principles as well.

 

[Meengla]

You’re again forgetting military establishment’s main role in that "toppling" of first sharif govt.

I am not forgetting that at all. I don't know how old you are but I have seen Pakistani Establishment and political leaders from Zulfi Bhutto's rule and onwards.

My point is: Benazir Bhutto was hugely humiliated in the 1990 elections where her majority from the 1988 elections was reduced to a mere 15-17 votes and almost all of them were from Sindh; her popular vote even in the 1990 elections, were at par with Nawaz Sharif's votes. She could have boycotted the National Assembly and be constantly on the streets protesting--she did have a large support base across Pakistan then. But she realized it would be futile and even self-destructive and bid her time and played her role inside the Parliament. The odds were far too heavily stacked against her vs what Imran was facing in 2022. Imran should have accepting the NCM vote, sat as the Opposition Leader and used his considerable leverage to work 'within the system'. But he is too stupid, too egotistical for that and his subsequent actions have only confirmed he is unfit to rule Pakistan.

 

[Forsvaret]

Imran should have accepting the NCM vote, sat as the Opposition Leader and used his considerable leverage to work 'within the system'.

Again, you’re forgetting how the very "system" actively worked against him in toppling him from power during VONC. The "system" had already decided to get rid of him by hook or crook and was never gonna allow him in power again. That’s how the so-called "system" works and Imran was thus completely right about the head-on approach he took against that "system".

 

[Meengla]

Again, you’re forgetting how the very "system" worked against him in toppling him from power during VONC. The "system" had decided to get rid of him by hook or crook and was never gonna allow him in power again. That’s how the so-called "system" works and Imran was right about the approach he took.

Never? Twice Benazir was toppled and allowed back to power. Twice Nawaz was toppled and allowed back to power.
BTW, removing Imran in 2022 was super easy: Those, like MQM MNAs, were literally arm-twisted to support Imran's rule after the 2018 elections and they were simply told to do as they pleased.
You really don't know what you are talking about!!!