AMCA vs KAAN vs KF-21 India Turkey & Korea’s Fighter Jets Battle For Air Supremacy—Who Leads The Pack? OP-ED

[Flotilla]

Don't lie, GCAP will use Europe's newly developed 13t (28600lbf) engine, which has weaker thrust than WS-10C(14.5t 32000lbf) and F110(14.6t 32200lbf).

RR was producing Pegasus with a version for the AV8B+ of that engine with a maximum thrust of 23.800lbf.

I think Turkish approach to a high thrust engine it is very pragmatic. First batch with GE110 and gather some experience and foreign funds for their TF35.000.

If Tf35.000 fails, they can always fund to develop a further evolution of GE110 or even join any UK path for their GCAP engine. FCAS will need a scaled up version of the french M88 for sure also.

Everybody will need a high thrust low bypass turbofan for their projects. Until now it was not mandatory to have big engines for fighter jets, but 5 and 6 generation aircrafts require larger airframes to keep their armament inside, so from US to South Korea and all over the world, if you want to hide your weapons you must sweat your shirt and/or wallet. And Turkey will do in a way or another. They did it before with UAVs and foreign engines and will do again. No problem with that.

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

Chinese members and You are the biggest liar here

and You said that KAAN is ultra nationalistic propaganda and other Chinese members said that KAAN can not fly before 2040

and now Chinese members again says TF-35.000 Engine can not fly before 2040




Wth are Chinese Troll team are doing here ?
This thread is about India-Turkiye and S.Korea ?

You and Chinese Members are lying and insulting Turkiye Turkish Defense Industry and provoking Turkish Members

DEINO is a MOD and saying me Shut the f..ck up

Mr X , Musings ,Waz​

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do you know how the high thrust class engines is difficult to develop? No one saying this engine will not tested before 2040 but not in 2028-2029 that you referring, you have limited resources/ scientists/ engineers compare to China, China spend and invest 20 Billion $$$ to mature its turban manufacturing capability and WS-15 project took 15 years to complete, with a limited resources/Scientists and engineers there is no way you can complete your TF-35000 project in 2028-2029, but my best guesstimate that TF-35000 engine will ready for testing on KAAN in 2033-2035 time-frame

 

[MMM-E]

do you know how the high thrust class engines is difficult to develop? No one saying this engine will not tested before 2040 but not in 2028-2029 that you referring, you have limited resources/ scientists/ engineers compare to China, China spend and invest 20 Billion $$$ to mature its turban manufacturing capability and WS-15 project took 15 years to complete

You know but Our TEI doesnt know what about the hight thrust class engines

Its not my claim
maybe Our TEI is stupid who says TF-35.000 will fly with KAAN in 2029

 

[MMM-E]

you can complete your TF-35000 project in 2028-2029, but my best guesstimate that TF-35000 engine will ready for testing on KAAN in 2033-2035 time-frame

According to TEI which develops the TF-35.000 Engine

The TF-35.000 Engine first flight with KAAN by 2029 and integration-mass production in 2032-2035 period

Do you think TEI knows nothing ?
or TEI has started developing eco system in 2020s ?

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

You know but Our TEI doesnt know what about the hight thrust class engines

Its not my claim
maybe Our TEI is stupid who says TF-35.000 will fly with KAAN in 2029

Not on KAAN probably but on a testbed aircraft

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

According to TEI which develops the TF-35.000 Engine

The TF-35.000 Engine first flight with KAAN by 2029 and integration-mass production in 2032-2035 period

Do you think TEI knows nothing ?
or TEI has started developing eco system in 2020s ?

So TEI ignoring safety of pilots and airframe lol

 

[Vikramaditya1]

Air strips are repairable within 48 hours. Whats not repairable are S400 radar, Rafales Su30 Mig29 Mirage2000 and IA tank could be Arjun T90 or T72.

Believe the chooran given to you. Lol!

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

Increasingly Indians on this forum are starting threads simply to flame bait.

Everyone knows the OP and the author of the article are jokes. Worse then social media.

We allow it and it descends.

People are put off not by us banning people, but by alowing garbage on the forum. Recent days it has got really bad.

May obviously scarred a lot of people on here badly

So comparing three different fighter platforms is garbage?

Interesting.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

That is what happens when you have a false flagging Indian starting a thread.

IIRC, the OP was confirmed Israeli.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

Your source is
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How mature of you.

 

[Musings]

Stop derailing and talking crap. Stick to the topic now

 

[MMM-E]

However, don't forget that we were already manufacturing everything for the GE F110 engine under license, except for the combustion chamber. In other words, we have the manufacturing expertise for high-power turbofan engines. We're not starting from scratch as it might appear.

YES , Turkiye is not starting from scratch

1 -- Türkiye has experience in producing parts and modules for turbofan Engines since 1987 ....... ( over 1.500 parts for 50 different types of military and commercial engine programs for GE , ROLLS ROYCE , SAFRAN , etc )

2 -- and Turkiye gained extensive experience through years of manufacturing GE-F110 Engine components and under license production


Now Turkiye has blisks and spools manufacturing technologies , Single crystal blade casting technology also Materials and progress technologies

-- high temperature applications
-- super alloys
-- titanium casting and nickel superalloy casting technologies
-- coating technologies
-- ceramics and porous structures


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Prof Dr MAHMUT AKSIT ( CEO of TEI )

for the first time in the world, TEI produced an engine combustion chamber using the additive manufacturing method

There are only a few Countries in the world that can process aircraft engine turbine blades with the additive manufacturing Nickel Superalloy method and Turkiye is one of them

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

YES , Turkiye is not starting from scratch

1 -- Türkiye has experience in producing parts and modules for turbofan Engines since 1987 ....... ( over 1.500 parts for 50 different types of military and commercial engine programs for GE , ROLLS ROYCE , SAFRAN , etc )

2 -- and Turkiye gained extensive experience through years of manufacturing GE-F110 Engine components and under license production


Now Turkiye has blisks and spools manufacturing technologies , Single crystal blade casting technology also Materials and progress technologies

-- high temperature applications
-- super alloys
-- titanium casting and nickel superalloy casting technologies
-- coating technologies
-- ceramics and porous structures


---------------------------

Prof Dr MAHMUT AKSIT ( CEO of TEI )

for the first time in the world, TEI produced an engine combustion chamber using the additive manufacturing method

There are only a few Countries in the world that can process aircraft engine turbine blades with the additive manufacturing Nickel Superalloy method and Turkiye is one of them

Developing new engine is much much harder to assembling older engines you have have to work with extreme temperatures core, you must develop new alloys for fan blades to sustain increase temperatures, you also have to work with LP/HP turbines and compressors and bypass ratios

 

[iblini]

@Musings reported for trolling and my friend! Just one short advice: Shut the f..k up; China is not bragging, but working and none of its members here does but it is an insult against any Chinese, any rationale thinking member - especially the Chinese ones which are trying patiently to explain to you - to again and again read you bragging, lies and open insults!

The only - to quote you - "BragRat" here in the forum is you since any post of you is not only offensive but always as if you get money for any such propaganda post!

Stop this BS and shut up.

I am just amused of Mr MMME and his consistency of doing the same things again and again for over five year+ at least, insulting every one and the country where they from if they dare to even questions a bit of his time table, if China is the biggest brag, who isn't today on this world.

 

[MMM-E]

Developing new engine is much much harder to assembling older engines you have have to work with extreme temperatures core, you must develop new alloys for fan blades to sustain increase temperatures, you also have to work with LP/HP turbines and compressors and bypass ratios

Older Engine ? GE F-110 Engine is still ahead of Europe

and not assembling but producing of 1.500 parts


TEI develops everything you said


In fact, we see all the new technologies in the TF-6.000 / TF-10.000 Engines