Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[ToddE]

If your argument is that the Shah should have killed more Iranians then ok that's what you believe.

Same "Iranians" later did following:

- Mass Killings of (1988) thousands of Iranian political prisoners.
- Killings of student during protests in 1999.
- Killings, mass arrests and executions on 2009 election demonstrations, killings and mass arrests and executions so that Nuclear traitor Mr. Chimpnejad can win the fraud election.
- Killings of protesters during the 2017–2018 nationwide unrest.
- Mass killings during the November 2019 fuel protests “Bloody November”.
- Killings of hundreds during Mahsa Amini’s protests.

You were saying ? Besides if Revolution had not happened, Saddam would not have dared to attack Iran. He did that only because he saw weakness and oppurtunity. Million lives would have been saved.

I've had this discussion before with other forum members. The Iranian military during the Shah performed poorly despite the huge amounts of equipment given to it.

.... and IRI's military performs brilliantly right ? Lol this bunch has lost its generals, both inside and outside Iran, lost its key scientists because security setup is incompetent to the core. IRIAF is dead, IRIN is struggling to keep up, Airdefence failed in war despite heavy investments. Corrupt idiots put out one after another quick cash grab failure project that never goes into production. Literally IRGCAF alone provided minimal face saving in the war otherwise 1000 Iranians died and IRI did what in return ? Its not just this time, previously US and Israeli support to IRIAF (basically IIAF) saved IRI against EU+USSR fueled Baathist war machine otherwise may be million more Iranians would have died at hands of Arabs. Whatever Shahi military was, this group is incompetent on another level.

As far as the economy argument, I get that you're a hyper-capitalist, but high GDP doesn't mean prosperity. GDP was largely driven by oil exports and wealth was concentrated and unequal (just as it is now under IR).

Word Gizmos do not work in real world, money does. US and China are superpowers because they have unparallel wealth. No matter how you twist it, it wont change the fact that money matters and IRI is 3-4 times poorer that Shahi Iran. Same nation, same people got multifold poorer, can you guess why?

Even as stupid as Iranians are, they didn't revolt for fun.

Nobody revolted over GDP, Gini index lol Revolution was caused by Mullahs and Radical Leftists. Both of these groups had their own ideological agendas and had foreign support for that. This combination is still ruling Iran with Ayatollahs wasting money on ideological Islamism and IRI remains a mainly socialist economy, heavily dominated by Government.

It's like how the US has a rising GDP but living standards are going down, food prices are going up, and economic hardship is increasing for the average person while the wealthy now control over 50% of the country's wealth.

You cant be more wrong than that. Shahi Iranian Gini Index is almost same as IRI (~0.4). So your entire argument about "inequality" is just fundamentally wrong. IRI improved nothing in terms of distribution of wealth among Iranians.

"Moreover, while post-Revolution Iran has been less effective in reducing income inequality. The Gini coefficient (a common measure of income inequality, with zero representing maximum equality) has remained above 0.40, not much lower than it was in the early 1970s."

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/the-islamic-revolution-at-40/

Again, you were saying ?

 

[mangekyo]

Shah was nationalist but naive to the core unlike his father. Spoiled prince after all while Daddy Pahlavi was tough n self made. Had Shah been clever he could have cracked down harder on Islamo-Marxists. He would have seen what these foriegn funded "revolutionaries" will do to his nation that oneday Iranian blood will become so cheap that rulers of Iran will be saying Iran means nothing while Iranians were being crushed under rubble.

Majority Ayatollahs and their pets in IRGC are corrupt mafia men. Shamkhani's daughter was showing half breasts in his presence few days ago, now Yahya Rahim Safavi's daughter is caught living Harom Life in Austrailia. Some may be actually stupid like you are saying which is even more sad but majority is just putting on an act.

I completely agree with you. I think he knew very well what they would do, but he was delusional in thinking the people would back him up and underestimated Iranian tribalism mentality.

 

[Shafagh]

So sorry your U.S installed retarded dictator didn't have the Balls to kill even more Iranians instead of running away with tens of Billions!!!

What else do you have to say other than this whataboutism?

I didnt even bring up the Shah, but to refute I.R. shortcomings, you decide to counter with "Oh at least I.R. isn't a pro American dictator who ran a secret police and took billions when he was toppled". That's a student saying oh well I am getting C grade in my classes, but at least I am not getting D.

Then immediately after, we had an Islamic government that killed thousands, drove the economy into the toilet, and alienated us for decades with the embassy hostage stunt, makbar Amrika nonsense.

So best Iran can do is group of geriatric Islamic Marxist dictators, or a pro western stooge obsessed with emulating western culture, lifestyle.

 

[BigMela2onin]

Same "Iranians" later did following:

- Mass Killings of (1988) thousands of Iranian political prisoners.
- Killings of student during protests in 1999.
- Killings, mass arrests and executions on 2009 election demonstrations, killings and mass arrests and executions so that Nuclear traitor Mr. Chimpnejad can win the fraud election.
- Killings of protesters during the 2017–2018 nationwide unrest.
- Mass killings during the November 2019 fuel protests “Bloody November”.
- Killings of hundreds during Mahsa Amini’s protests.

You were saying ? Besides if Revolution had not happened, Saddam would not have dared to attack Iran. He did that only because he saw weakness and oppurtunity. Million lives would have been saved.

I'm just clarifying your position. People get the government they deserve. If Iranians tried to overthrow IR as hard as they did the shah they wouldn't be in this situation. Iranians have been dying by the millions in wars, famines, etc. for centuries now, what difference does it make who or what kills them? Iranians don't deserve safety and prosperity just for existing, they'll have to make it for themselves.

.... and IRI's military performs brilliantly right ? Lol this bunch has lost its generals, both inside and outside Iran, lost its key scientists because security setup is incompetent to the core. IRIAF is dead, IRIN is struggling to keep up, Airdefence failed in war despite heavy investments. Corrupt idiots put out one after another quick cash grab failure project that never goes into production. Literally IRGCAF alone provided minimal face saving in the war otherwise 1000 Iranians died and IRI did what in return ? Its not just this time, previously US and Israeli support to IRIAF (basically IIAF) saved IRI against EU+USSR fueled Baathist war machine otherwise may be million more Iranians would have died at hands of Arabs. Whatever Shahi military was, this group is incompetent on another level.

All this is irrelevant to my reply to your original statement. The shah's military was incompetent and had to have the British help to beat a bunch of Omani tribesan, but probably IR's is worse now.

Word Gizmos do not work in real world, money does. US and China are superpowers because they have unparallel wealth. No matter how you twist it, it wont change the fact that money matters and IRI is 3-4 times poorer that Shahi Iran. Same nation, same people got multifold poorer, can you guess why?

Typo? If not I don't know what you mean here.

You cant be more wrong than that. Shahi Iranian Gini Index is almost same as IRI (~0.4). So your entire argument about "inequality" is just fundamentally wrong. IRI improved nothing in terms of distribution of wealth among Iranians.

"Moreover, while post-Revolution Iran has been less effective in reducing income inequality. The Gini coefficient (a common measure of income inequality, with zero representing maximum equality) has remained above 0.40, not much lower than it was in the early 1970s."

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/the-islamic-revolution-at-40/

Again, you were saying ?

So you agree with me?
I said:

(just as it is now under IR)

It will be this way after IR too. Qajars, Pahlavis, mullahs, whoever comes next, Moderation Edit
Iran would have been better off it was colonized. At least countries like India got dragged into modernity through colonization; millions of Iranians died and suffered anyways but remained an uncivilized tribal society.

 

[Khorasan Black Flags]

On the border with Iran ??????? Is that sure ????

Unfortunately yes ...

 

[kimjongun]

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Have you guys heard about this....

 

[Hack-Hook]

So sorry your U.S installed retarded dictator didn't have the Balls to kill even more Iranians instead of running away with tens of Billions!!!

There some documentary on TV last week
They admit Tayyeb and Sha'aban were Kashani men.
Without his agreement the coupe could not have happened. He was afraid of Toodeh party and taught Mossadegh is in bed with them
By the way that is also the story English fed to the USA to get their support

 

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[Hack-Hook]

Iran would have been better off it was colonized. At least countries like India got dragged into modernity through colonization; millions of Iranians died and suffered anyways but remained an uncivilized tribal society.

I have to disagree with with you , you can get more tribal and sectarian as india

 

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[hasssanali8998]

but but but Turkish and Azeri Republic are Islamic brothers of Khamenei ....

u guys also have ummah chummah

 

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Does that target include the intel CPU foundries? Shows how little Iran understands the economics of warfare if it does not. You take out those intel CPU/Processor foundries, you kill dead all large scale infrastructure investment in Israel by foreign companies. And, you give the USA a good poke in the eye as Intel is on life support right now.

 

[Khorasan Black Flags]

Does that target include the intel CPU foundries? Shows how little Iran understands the economics of warfare if it does not. You take out those intel CPU/Processor foundries, you kill dead all large scale infrastructure investment in Israel by foreign companies. And, you give the USA a good poke in the eye as Intel is on life support right now.

Any attack on Iran’s infrastructure will be met with direct strikes against their companies