Pakistan Asking Afghans to Accept Durand line is Wrong as per the head of Tehreek e Tahaffuz e Ayeen

[unconventional]

In August 2017, Imran Khan said he opposed fencing the Durand Line and favoured a more open-border, “EU-style” relationship between Pakistan and Afghanistan.

https://www.business-standard.com/article/news-ani/imran-khan-opposes-fencing-of-durand-line-favours-european-style-ties-with-afghanistan-117082000104_1.html?utm_source=chatgpt.com

Afghan governments (including the current one under the Taliban) have publicly refused to recognise the Durand Line as an international border.

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/afghanistan-we-have-no-favourites-now-pakistan-pm-imran-khan-on-afghan-crisis-2498030?utm_source=chatgpt.com

 

[Forsvaret]

The Afghans, post the creation of Pakistan, think that this adjudication no longer applies. Pakistan thinks differently.

Hence the dispute. Why can’t Pakistan simply talk about this with Afghanistan on the table?

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

No. It only shows that you think military establishment is always right and that a civilian leader’s opinion doesn’t matter (bloody civilian)

And that civilian leader is corrupt, less corrupt but corrupt anyway so what's the difference between your massieh/Nawaz and ZARDARI and co?

 

[Forsvaret]

Pakistan has always ignored it till they started murdering Pakistanis in large numbers. If things were kept to a "dispute" in talks, no problem.

There you have it. A common ground can be reached between Afghanistan and Pakistan on the issue. Their leaders can keep this dispute alive (like Indian leaders do on Kashmir) without actually doing anything on the ground (thus keeping the status quo).

 

[Blain2]

Hence the dispute. Why can’t Pakistan simply talk about this with Afghanistan on the table?

One again, starting with 1948, Pakistan and Afghanistan have talked, not once, but tens of times. Pakistan's point is, there is nothing to change. Why should KP/FATA be given to Afghanistan? None of Pakistan's Pashtun population is for it. Why should Pakistan do that?

Pakistan is not asking for any adjustments on the Afghan side, what does Pakistan get in return? Nothing.

Pakistan did not uproot any families. Pakistan has allowed open transit for Afghan/Pakistani families straddling the border. Pakistan has facilitated trade. Pakistan has facilitated refuge. Pakistan has facilitated transit for Afghans out of Pakistan. Pakistan has allowed 4 millions Afghans into the country for over 40 years.

How much more is Pakistan to give and what have we gotten in return?

 

[Forsvaret]

And that civilian leader is corrupt, less corrupt but corrupt anyway so what's the difference between your massieh/Nawaz and ZARDARI and co?

The difference here is that all these political leaders can be voted in or out by the people of Pakistan (if allowed by the military establishment). Same cannot be said about the unelected people currently in charge of Pakistan. They’re simply not accountable to the people nor to the country’s justice system as per the recently passed 27th "amendment".

 

[Blain2]

In August 2017, Imran Khan said he opposed fencing the Durand Line and favoured a more open-border, “EU-style” relationship between Pakistan and Afghanistan.

https://www.business-standard.com/article/news-ani/imran-khan-opposes-fencing-of-durand-line-favours-european-style-ties-with-afghanistan-117082000104_1.html?utm_source=chatgpt.com

Afghan governments (including the current one under the Taliban) have publicly refused to recognise the Durand Line as an international border.

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/afghanistan-we-have-no-favourites-now-pakistan-pm-imran-khan-on-afghan-crisis-2498030?utm_source=chatgpt.com

Listen, even this "open border" concept is workable. Prior to the GWOT, our border with Afghanistan was wide open. An FC post every few hundred miles.

This is feasible if the murder mayhem of TTP is culled and no groups from Afghanistan enter Pakistan to destabilize.

Pakistan is not insecure about softening up borders. Our Pashtuns are secure and confident of their future with Pakistan. However, it's all the terrorism that is coming through Afghanistan that is in the way of these "open borders" and only Afghans can control this if they really shared IK's vision. My own take is that the conniving Taliban probably think of IK as a useful idiot and nothing more of his ideas.

 

[Forsvaret]

Listen, even this "open border" concept is workable. Prior to the GWOT, our border with Afghanistan was wide open. An FC post every few hundred miles.

And what was the security situation on the ground during that time? Was it actually better than today’s?

 

[Distant_Observer]

Listen, even this "open border" concept is workable. Prior to the GWOT, our border with Afghanistan was wide open. An FC post every few hundred miles.

Sounds like narco terrorist heaven in that terrain. The Mexicans would love a border like that with the US.

You are not in civilized Europe. You are not bordering Switzerland and Luxemborg.

You paid a very heavy price. It should have been militarized like LOC.

 

[Forsvaret]

You paid a very heavy price. It should have been militarized like LOC.

So why don’t they just do it if Pakistan’s security is their top priority?
There is not much messiah khan can do against it from his prison cell anyway…

 

[Master Chief]

What’s even the difference? Aren’t you also blindly licking your 'Messiah' military establishment’s boots?

This is becoming delusional. I urge you to think objectively.

Imran Khan's comments and decisions over the course of this year have - at the very least - undermined our military response to terrorism from both East and West and even internally. There can be no more negotiation with the snakes who have publicly renewed and reinforced their rejection of Pakistani sovereignty, which was always simmering beneath the surface anyway. To facilitate this existential quest, they have enlisted the hindutva qom. There is nothing more to be said for the redemption of the Kabuli regime.

I am sure some Afghans can behave in a more reasonable manner and we will help put them into power in Kabul.

This is really thin ice though that Khan is skating on.

Nobody here idolises any one person or body or party.

We live, work and die for the idea of and the ideology behind Pakistan, and that is wholly centred on the sovereignty of this nation.

If Khan, or anyone, undermines that, then he is committing treason.

 

[Forsvaret]

Imran Khan's comments and decisions over the course of this year have - at the very least - undermined our military response to terrorism from both East and West and even internally.

Dude! He is just sitting in prison. He can’t "undermine" anything with his tweets alone.

To facilitate this existential quest, they have enlisted the hindutva qom.

Huh? So Pakistan was against Ghani govt because it was pro-India and back then supported Afghan Taliban for this reason. Fast forward, it’s now the same Afghan Taliban Pakistan supported that is working with India?
And you want the world to take you seriously?

 

[Oscar]

How old are you exactly?

Let's be clear in our "Pakistani" minds first. This is not a border dispute between Pakistan and Afghanistan. It is something that Pakistan inherited from the British after they meted out a serious hiding/military defeat on the Afghans and their then ruler agreed to sign off and agreed to the appointment of Sir Mortimer Durand to adjudicate the line of division between the British Empire and Afghanistan. India's division was between 3 parties, the British, INC, and ML. There was no Afghanistan in the picture then nor now.

The Afghans, post the creation of Pakistan, think that this adjudication no longer applies. Pakistan thinks differently.

Second, this issue has been discussed with EVERY single ruling disposition in Afghanistan since this is a central Afghan talk track on discussions with Pakistan. Every Afghan who rules the roost has to prove his "Afghaniat" by bringing up the Durand line with Pakistan to show to the rest of his Afghan compatriots that he means business.

Pakistan has always ignored it till they started murdering Pakistanis in large numbers. If things were kept to a "dispute" in talks, no problem.

There is further myopia on this. The “issue” of how Afghans view muslims east of Attock isn’t from 47 but their treatment of the Khilafat movement and attitudes towards the participants and even how they dismissed Maulana Jauhar (pretty interesting tales on how they first encouraged it then abandoned them) should be ample proof that Pakistan’s creation had only been another reason for their condescending attitude.

 

[Oscar]

Dude! He is just sitting in prison. He can’t "undermine" anything with his tweets alone.



Huh? So Pakistan was against Ghani govt because it was pro-India and back then supported Afghan Taliban for this reason. Fast forward, it’s now the same Afghan Taliban Pakistan supported that is working with India?
And you want the world to take you seriously?

So Afridi was not appointed by Imran?
Can you please make up your mind regarding the actual agency or even role dear leader holds in PTI?

 

[Blain2]

And what was the security situation on the ground during that time? Was it actually better than today’s?

From 1989 to 2001, there was nothing of note going on there. Yes, we had a refugee problem but there was no militancy on the borders. Within Afghanistan there was a power struggle with the various warlords etc. but the trade and transit was wide open. We had FC posts sparingly dotting the landscape (and the Army was not deployed in the FATA).