Pakistan Constitutional Amendments:

[hasssanali8998]

He never did that. It’s only military establishment accusing him of doing it. So again, it’s Bughaz-e-Imran as usual

did he have no power, are u saying he was just a puppet . though he was a stronk leader

 

[Broghil]

Is it true that according to the new amendment chief justice would now be called "chief justice"?

 

[Forsvaret]

did he have no power…

PM Imran Khan actually rejected settlement of those TTP terrorists when military establishment came up with that proposal during cabinet meetings:

21 میں اس وقت کی فوجی قیادت نے ہتھیار پھینکنے والے دہشتگردوں کو واپس بسانے کا منصوبہ پیش کیا تھا، مگر اس منصوبے کو خیبرپختونخوا اور قبائلی علاقوں کے ہمارے منتخب نمائندوں نے مسترد کر دیا تھا- اس منصوبے پر ہمارے دور میں عمل نہیں ہوا۔ لیکن اب حقائق کے برعکس تحریک انصاف کی حکومت پر یہ سراسر جھوٹا الزام لگایا جا رہا ہے کہ ملک میں دہشتگردی اس دور میں بسائے گئے دہشتگردوں کی وجہ سے پیدا ہوئی ہے۔ قوم کو بتایا جائے کہ کون سے دہشتگرد کب، کہاں اور کیسے بسائے گئے؟

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Now explain who settled those TTP terrorists but military establishment itself!

 

[Forsvaret]

i am not saying military is not involved just stop putting all of your favorite leaders wrongdoings on the militaries heads…

Then prove those wrongdoings first. All you are doing is believing and spreading military establishment’s propaganda uncritically.

 

[hasssanali8998]

Then prove those wrongdoings first. All you are doing is believing and spreading military establishment’s propaganda uncritically.

and you are falling for the cope our leaders feed us when they fail which is blame the military for everything .

 

[Forsvaret]

…you are falling for the cope our leaders feed us when they fail which is blame the military for everything…

And who is going to be the judge of that? You believed military establishment’s accusation that it was Imran Khan govt which settled those TTP terrorists. When Imran Khan himself rejected those accusations, citing what was decided by him during cabinet meetings, you refused to believed him and continued believing in military establishment’s accusations against Imran. If that’s not Bughaz-e-Imran, I don’t know what is?

 

[hnn]

Then prove those wrongdoings first. All you are doing is believing and spreading military establishment’s propaganda uncritically.

Not taking any sides here but your proof is the "testimony of the accused" and he has not only changed his testimonies over the years but has also justified the change/U-turns as political wisdom

 

[Forsvaret]

Not taking any sides here but your proof is the "testimony of the accused" and he has not only changed his testimonies over the years…

Ok, you hate Imran Khan. You don’t believe him. But what about his then cabinet member and state minister Murad Saeed — who is saying exactly the same thing:

اور دہشت گرد کون؟ وہ جن کی آبادکاری کے حق میں پہلے آرمی چیف ڈی جی ایم او اور ڈی جی آئی ایس آئ کی جانب سے وزیراعظم اور کابینہ اراکین کو دلائل دیے گئے اور پھر ہمارے سوالوں پر جھاگ اڑاتے آرمی چیف کوئی دلیل نہ ہونے پر جھاگ کیطرح بیٹھ تو گئے، مگر رجیم چینج کراکر نگران حکومت میں انہی لوگوں کو جنوبی اضلاع میں لا کر آباد کر دیا۔۔

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[hnn]

Ok, you hate Imran Khan. You don’t believe him. But what about his then cabinet member and state minister Murad Saeed — who is saying the same thing:

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How did you come to the conclusion I hate Imran Khan?

I have already said I'm not taking sides here I'm just putting forward the known facts and that doesn't include that I'm saying IK settled TTP back in KPK. Try and follow the thought here.

As for Murad Saeed's statement - statements from FM Qureshi and President Alvi about the negotiations and the amnesty are on record too from 2021.

I'm only asking how can one conclude who is telling the truth when both sides are presenting the "testimonies" or the parties accused.

 

[Forsvaret]

As for Murad Saeed's statement - statements from FM Querishi and President Alvi about the negotiations and the amnesty are on record too from 2021.

Who is denying those negotiations with TTP terrorists? They did occur on the behest of military establishment of that time — which was pushing the Imran Khan govt to settle those terrorists for some reason. How do you explain that?

 

[alphapak]

did he have no power, are u saying he was just a puppet . though he was a stronk leader

TTP were resettled back in Pakistan by ISI Maalkhors, even Ehsanullah Ehsan
was bought to ISI safe house and then released. This was mentioned by
Brigadier Mehmood Shah.

Who resettled Osama Bin Laden next to PMA Kakul? Who let Raymond Davis go?

 

[Forsvaret]

Who resettled Osama Bin Laden next to PMA Kakul? Who let Raymond Davis go?

Imran Khan — who else?

 

[hnn]

Who is denying those negotiations with TTP terrorists? They did occur on the behest of military establishment of that time — which was pushing the Imran Khan govt to settle those terrorists for some reason. How do you explain that?

Do you hold the current government accountable for 26th and 27th ammendents? If so then you should hold IK accountable too by that logic as well.

The core logic of your defense against IK is "pressured by establishment" - and the proof of that "pressure" is the "testimony of the accused and his party member"

Since you are asking for proof that IK settled them from a different source than his rivals (because of conflict of interest) - then you should also provide proof that IK didn't settle them from a different source than himself (or his party members) - again because of conflict of interest.

That's all I'm saying. It's merely a critique on the incoherence of your line of argument instead of a critique on IK. Hope you understand.

 

[Forsvaret]

Do you hold the current government accountable for 26th and 27th ammendents?

No, I don’t. I hold military establishment solely responsible for all this mess — because it’s military leadership which stole Imran Khan’s mandate in 2024 elections and gave it to current unelected lot now sitting in parliament — that is passing those "constitutional" amendments for their boot masters!

 

[hasssanali8998]

Imran Khan — who else?

wrong Imran khan was/is incapable of making decisions , it was obviously Bushra bibi .