PTI News, Updates and Discussion

[Forsvaret]

I outrightly condemn the treatment of IK's sisters by our jahil police and those who gave the orders. But unfortunately this roughing up isn't exactly unprecedented in Pakistan and at the same time, comes nowhere close to the claims of mass murder of PTI supporters.

So the real issue for you is not that the human rights abuses are happening in Pakistan but rather that they’re not happening to the extent PTI is claiming?
I mean, wtf?
That’s a whole new level of Bughaz-e-PTI I just discovered…

 

[alphapak]

anti-Pakistan traitors living in foreign lands

Mota Nawaja is just 1 of them, he has made speeches against Gods chosen mafia
from London.

 

[VCheng]

And even if the public is outraged beyond belief, what is that "something" they can do about it?

If enough of them want any significant change, they will have to indeed do "something" about it, or learn to accept it.

That is just life.

 

[Forsvaret]

If enough of them want any significant change, they will have to indeed do "something" about it, or learn to accept it.

And what happens if they don’t "learn" to accept it?

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

Mota Nawaja is just 1 of them, he has made speeches against Gods chosen mafia
from London.

Oh no.

Are you talking about this speech from September 2020 when the name of COAS Qamar Javed Bajwa was mentioned infuriating Cartoon-e-Azam Imran Khan and his Shaikh Chilli cabal?

PEMRA bans speeches of 'proclaimed offenders' following Nawaz’s ‘fiery speeches’ | The Express Tribune

Media regulatory body warns action if a licensee fails to comply with the directives

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[VCheng]

And what happens if they don’t "learn" to accept it?

Hypothetical question, but if enough of them do not learn to accept it, then they will make that known by tangible actions.

Life Lessons 101: If something bothers you, you have to fix it. You cannot expect others to fix it for you.

 

[Blain2]

So the real issue for you is not that the human rights abuses are happening in Pakistan but rather that they’re not happening to the extent PTI is claiming?
I mean, wtf?
That’s a whole new level of Bughaz-e-PTI I just discovered…

First yaar, at least don't murder the language. ;-) The word is "Bughz", not "Bughaz" and it does not apply to me as I have no hate for either PTI or IK but I care about Pakistan more. In my mind, PTI DNE Pakistan. PTI Is being wronged and it is unfair as to what is unfolding, however my point is different. You will not find a single post of mine cursing/abusing IK/PTI on this forum, because I have sympathy for some of what they have been subjected to but I also feel that there is much more at stake than the interests of one party (and as I maintain, PTI DNE Pakistan!)

My post was in response to this oft-repeated "mass murder of protestors" claim that is peddled by PTI supporters.

As a Pakistani, it is my right to ask what these claims are based on. What is the evidence, who the offending law enforcement agencies are etc. etc. Keep in mind that PTI demonstrators will get sympathy from all quarters if they are being extra-judicially murdered in large numbers.

By repeating lies and exaggeration, you are only doing a disservice to the image of your own country for your narrow party interests, which is something that PTI/IK used to roundly condemn PPP and PML for.

 

[Blain2]

Mota Nawaja is just 1 of them, he has made speeches against Gods chosen mafia
from London.

And this is how the political musical chairs work. Today PTI is doing whatever NS/PPP ever did and more. Tomorrow they may be back in power and then will spout whatever they need to prove their loyalty to the soil.

This is politics 100/101. Those of us more discerning should understand this. I will never say PTI has gone over and there is no return to the fold for them for their anti-Pakistani positions. All parties have been on the fringe and then brought back into the fold because that is just the nature of Pakistani politics.

 

[VCheng]

By repeating lies and exaggeration, you are only doing a disservice to the image of your own country for your narrow party interests, which is something that PTI/IK used to roundly condemn PPP and PML for.

I would add very bluntly to that great comment:

The image of the country will survive this as well, but their own credibility will go down into the gutter and stay there. This self-inflicted loss is only theirs to stop.

 

[HAIDER]

And this is how the political musical chairs work. Today PTI is doing whatever NS/PPP ever did and more. Tomorrow they may be back in power and then will spout whatever they need to prove their loyalty to the soil.

This is politics 100/101. Those of us more discerning should understand this. I will never say PTI has gone over and there is no return to the fold for them for their anti-Pakistani positions. All parties have been on the fringe and then brought back into the fold because that is just the nature of Pakistani politics.

"anti-Pakistani positions ". : Yes Sir ...set the whole province ablaze in the name of the TTP, as it has been burning for 35 years. A government institution stands above the Constitution of Pakistan.
A Grade-22 army general can derail the entire election process and sideline the party’s leader and founder for two years without a case. His sisters are dragged on the road while waiting to see their brother “under court orders.” How much more humiliation must those who support PTI endure?

 

[HAIDER]

And what happens if they don’t "learn" to accept it?

They learnt to accept the 26th, 27th, and the upcoming 28th amendments. They also accepted Munir as COAS and FM, accepting lifetime impunity, with the chief serving until 2030 and possibly beyond to 2035.

 

[El Sidd]

I would add very bluntly to that great comment:

The image of the country will survive this as well, but their own credibility will go down into the gutter and stay there. This self-inflicted loss is only theirs to stop.

It's actually a crime as per laws introduced by the populist government that they vehemently support.

 

[Forsvaret]

Keep in mind that PTI demonstrators will get sympathy from all quarters if they are being extra-judicially murdered in large numbers.

Well, that's the thing. PTI doesn't need "sympathy" from any quarter. What it needs is justice for how it's been treated like an outcast ever since PM IK was ousted from power through VONC back in 2022.

Tomorrow they may be back in power and then will spout whatever they need to prove their loyalty to the soil.

No, why? WHY should PTI "prove" their loyalty to the soil? WHO decides that anyway? I have never seen any military person to be asked to prove their loyalty to the soil? Why are civilians of Pakistan even asked to "prove" it?

The image of the country will survive this as well, but their own credibility will go down into the gutter and stay there.

No, it won't. It's not PTI's credibility that is at stake but military establishment's that think of itself as the sole "state" of Pakistan...

 

[Forsvaret]

They learnt to accept 26,27, and the coming 28th amendments ....lolllllll

Nope! Ahmedis of Pakistan have still not accepted Second Amendment and that happened like back in 1974. Because that's not how you make "amendments" to a country's constitution by targeting someone or something.

 

[alphapak]

their anti-Pakistani positions

What is anti Pakistan positon? talking against corrupt CIA generals is not anti Pakistan.

What is anti Pakistan is surrendering the Country 3 times, rigging every election, selling
your own people for dollars, getting your own Country drone striked into oblivion.

When people ask for their rights the mafia just responds with straight bullets,
is this not anti state? but they can't handle a tweet back.