An Indian Tejas fighter jet crashed during an aerial display at the Dubai Air Show

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Faceless said:
Side by Side comparison of what the pilot was trying to perform
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The nose drop as aircraft was getting upright was a little strange and abrupt. Why would nose go down like that? That caused aircraft to start going down, when there seems to be an attempt to get it back up. But there was no time.
That was all that mattered between other days and this one.
Could he have abandoned the aircraft? That question would haunt many of us and more so his wife and child.
 
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The video on left shows that aircraft turns and pulls up.

The video on right shows, there was confusion by the pilot or the systems did not respond effectively to the pilot wanting to turn, the turn itself then takes longer, and the aircraft does not pull up at all.

Probably more to do with mechanical failure due to Incompetent made in India workmanship.
 
Trailer23 said:
Usually, the Left Hand is on the Throttle.

Some Jets like the F/A-18 & F-15 have handles for the Pilots to hold on to.

I can't say for certain if his hand is moving slowly/freely indicating that he might have lost consciousness.

However, the aircraft did turn later which would indicate that he did have some control - but not enough altitude to recover.
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Since his hands were not on throttle, max thrust was not applied to gain speed to pull up?
 
Trailer23 said:
Usually, the Left Hand is on the Throttle.

Some Jets like the F/A-18 & F-15 have handles for the Pilots to hold on to.

I can't say for certain if his hand is moving slowly/freely indicating that he might have lost consciousness.

However, the aircraft did turn later which would indicate that he did have some control - but not enough altitude to recover.
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Is it possible that there was momentary loss of consciousness? As he regained senses he tried to take control but there was no time.
 
Vkdindian1 said:
The nose drop as aircraft was getting upright was a little strange and abrupt. Why would nose go down like that? That caused aircraft to start going down, when there seems to be an attempt to get it back up. But there was no time.
That was all that mattered between other days and this one.
Could he have abandoned the aircraft? That question would haunt many of us and more so his wife and child.
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At very low altitude, the aircraft has very little margin to correct any loss of lift. If the pilot pulls the nose up, the airflow angle changes, and if it becomes too high, it can reduce lift or even disrupt airflow into the engines (especially during aggressive manoeuvres).

Engines do need proper airflow, and sudden pitch-up at low speed/low altitude can reduce the airflow and delay power response.

This kind of issue have seen with previous incidents as well. Even if I am not mistaking - a few comercial aircrafts had similar kind of issues and met sad incidents
 
Dalit said:
According to Indian members everything is fine. Yet, the entire world says that Indian pilots aren't trained properly.
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I really think it is a combination of factors

1) IAF training standards are poor. They need to admit this. The amount of human led incidents shows this
2) No culture of accountability. When things go wrong, they often get brushed under the carpet, indeed, but not admitting faults (for example denying losses of S-400 radar and Jets) internally how does an organisation learn from mistakes in combat if it does not admit to any? After Balakot in 2019, even though PAF downed an IAF jet, it led us to see where we could have improved, resulting in a lot of the systems, platforms and processes that helped us in May this year. This attitude can partly be explained by Indian culture too
3) Lack of platform standardisation. What made PAF formidable in the 60s and in May was standardisation around common platforms (US in 60s and Chinese/Pak today). This has resulted in synergies around networking, training, tactics, logistics and communications. Pak aligned itself with US initially then China. IAF has throughout its history operated a mix of Soviet/Russian, British, French and now American equipment. That is 4 seperate suppliers with 4 very seperate operating philosophies (Although UK and US very similar). This has implications on basic stuff like data linking, what refuelling tankers you can use, ammunition and missile logsitics, pilot training etc
4) Lack of exposure to foreign systems and training. Although IAF is changing this, traditionally Pak forces (and PAF in particular) were very keen that most officers had some international exposure, this was done through either miltary exchanges, deputation abroad, training at foreign academies or joint exercises. IAF does do this but not to the scale PAF has, and remember PAF is half the size so more officers will be exposed. As an example go check out the past postings of past PAF CAS and compare with all past IAF CAS. Many more of PAF will have some foreign training/learning
 
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