H-1B visas must end’: Wife of US citizen shares plight of landing IT jobs

[Meengla]

The State universities in the USA are still producing very capable STEM students. The obsession with ivy leagues is overrated.
The USA can easily replace all H1Bs with all Americam workers if the decision makers wish to.
All of this H1B issue is due to strategic recalculations where India is being shown the door. It has nothing to do with "they took our jobs".

Bolded part: In one of my jobs, the CTO said: '... but you have to tell Mr. XYZ only once and that's all.' He was complaining about the foreign labor not able to do things 'right' vs the XYZ who was a Millennial--a junior developer in my team--but needed instructions only once.
Going back to this debate: Given the large number of the unemployed, capable American workers, there is no need to bring in the H1Bs except for the limited medical quota as given by MTG, and there is no justification to complaining about the low number of 'STEM' graduates: A 'software engineer' is only an 'engineer' in name. Many people could be and are 'software engineers' with degrees even in Accounting--as one of my managers was, who became a very good SQL programmer.

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@ihussain

another informative video

Went through the first 10 minutes only. But that part is very illustrative. Unless US sorts out its educational system and skilling process it will be dependent upon foreign talent in one form or other.

Regards

 

[ihussain]

@ihussain

another informative video

Went through the first 10 minutes only. But that part is very illustrative. Unless US sorts out its educational system and skilling process it will be dependent upon foreign talent in one form or other.

Regards

If you watch the entire video (whenever you have time), you’ll see they also discuss the points you’re bringing up.

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@ihussain sb

Will try to do so over the weekend. Till then can you give me a gist of the remaining part? Thanks in advance.

Regards

 

[Meengla]

Went through the first 10 minutes only. But that part is very illustrative. Unless US sorts out its educational system and skilling process it will be dependent upon foreign talent in one form or other.

No shortages of qualified IT professionals in America. As I said, many people become 'IT professionals' despite their totally different backgrounds. One my Directors in a previous job had a degree in Accounting but was a competent SQL developer.
The H1Bs is all about cheap labor, shady hiring practices, and even fraud.

 

[ihussain]

@ihussain sb

Will try to do so over the weekend. Till then can you give me a gist of the remaining part? Thanks in advance.

Regards

I'll try to summarized as much as I can.

They discussed the role of H4, L1, and OPT visas and related programs along with H1B 100K fee. Talking about H4 was very new to me, as everyone only talks about H1B. Anyway, they also talked about how someone on a 3–6 year WORK/TEMP visa can buy properties (not just a single property).

But as far as I understand, things are going to calm down, especially regarding H1B. My two cents: if someone finds a loophole in the system and takes advantage of it, don't blame the person. Either fix the loophole or enforce the law strictly.

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[AZ_HighCountry]

if someone finds a loophole in the system and takes advantage of it, don't blame the person. Either fix the loophole or enforce the law strictly.

Bingo! Those who complain the loudest about people taking advantage of loopholes are very likely the same people who wrote the law in the first place.

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@Meengla sb

No shortages of qualified IT professionals in America.

I don't think there is any debate on that on this thread. The question that has been hotly argued is are these professionals willing to work at the same wage rate as H1Bs and willing to put in as many hours.

Regards

 

[Meengla]

Bingo! Those who complain the loudest about people taking advantage of loopholes are very likely the same people who wrote the law in the first place.

Hah? I don't think the Congress/Senate wrote the H1Bs laws intentionally with the loopholes. However, as I have repeatedly said in this thread, just like water flows downhill due to gravity, companies and individuals will find ways to take advantage of H1B due to cheap labor. Even if all H1Bs are stopped, they will figure out off-shoring. That's basically the nature of Capitalism.

 

[Meengla]

@Meengla sb

No shortages of qualified IT professionals in America.

I don't think there is any debate on that on this thread. The question that has been hotly argued is are these professionals willing to work at the same wage rate as H1Bs and willing to put in as many hours.

Regards

Short answer, No. I wouldn't work for cheap wages. Not for long anyway.

 

[ihussain]

Guys, go through the video. I know it's more than an hour long, but it's very informative, especially the legal side of it.

It's not just companies exploiting the program: universities, non-profits, and others are also involved.

@Meengla @AZ_HighCountry @SoulSpokesman

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@Meengla sb @AZ_HighCountry Saar, @ihussain

Even if all H1Bs are stopped, they will figure out off-shoring. That's basically the nature of Capitalism.

Very well-written.

Now the question is as and when developing countries like South Asia, SE Asia, LatAm and sub-saharan Africa all get their acts together and improve productivity, citizens of currently wealthy societies (NorthAm, Europe and Japan) will all face the same challenge- be as productive and hard working as citizens elsewhere or face a loss of living standards.

Regards

 

[MuzBongEthnonationalist]

@ihussain

another informative video

Went through the first 10 minutes only. But that part is very illustrative. Unless US sorts out its educational system and skilling process it will be dependent upon foreign talent in one form or other.

Regards

what supposed issue exists with the American education system? I mean, after all, there are a lot of qualified Americans who cannot find a job And there are allegations that companies purposefully avoid hiring Americans who are qualified, so that they can apply to bring in H1B workers who are cheaper (https://www.forbes.com/sites/caroli...d-at-job-hunting-30-of-job-postings-are-fake/) ..
Also, you need to remember, India is the place with the largest number of faked university degrees

Students with fake degrees granted US, UK visas; caught at airport - The Economic Times

Authorities at Rajiv Gandhi International Airport have uncovered a visa fraud operation involving students using fabricated academic credentials to secure visas for the US and UK. Over the past two weeks, four individuals were apprehended during pre-departure checks, revealing fake degrees and...

economictimes.indiatimes.com

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@MuzBongEthnonationalist

India is the place with the largest number of faked university degrees

So why are American corporations, owned by whites and Jews, recruiting Indians in preference to white Americans?

there are a lot of qualified Americans who cannot find a job And there are allegations that companies purposefully avoid hiring Americans who are qualified, so that they can apply to bring in H1B workers who are cheaper

So why don't these Americans reduce their wage expectations so that they are preferred over H1B Indians?

Regards

 

[Meengla]

what supposed issue exists with the American education system? I mean, after all, there are a lot of qualified Americans who cannot find a job And there are allegations that companies purposefully avoid hiring

Right.
There is no shortage of qualified American workers desperately looking for tech jobs. Go to LinkedIn or Glass Door to see their frustrated rants. Some have even started to do things like Uber Eat or Substitute Teaching. But an Urban Myth has been propagated long by the H1B supporters. Basically, this is all about cheap labor and often using fraudulent ways to bring in foreign 'talent' into.

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