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[Forsvaret]

And since 2024 elections, I don't think Imran's popularity has increased--probably on the contrary.

Military establishment’s wet dreams.

 

[VCheng]

It’s gonna take decades to reverse Zia’s current Pakistan, just like it took decades to make it in the first place!

It took only 6 years from 1971 to 1977 to create this Pakistan that has lasted for nearly half a century, much longer than the original already. Whatever happens, IK's chances of being more consequential than truck art portraits years from now are nearly non existent.

 

[VCheng]

I think you and I are in agreement about the inflated popularity of Imran. And I agree with those failures of Imran to create pressure points on the govt/Establishment. No questions about that.
I believe the only cards Imran is left to play with are using the resources of the K-P govt and his so-called Pashtun credentials as ethnic blackmail.

Let IK play all the cards he thinks he has as best as he can, as is his right. I can wait to see what he can actually achieve with them. We owe him at least that, in my view.

 

[Forsvaret]

I believe the only cards Imran is left to play with are using the resources of the K-P govt and his so-called Pashtun credentials as ethnic blackmail.

No matter how much military establishment wants or tries to push IK into this direction — it simply ain’t gonna work because IK / PTI’s support base is not only across Pakistan but also everywhere Pakistani expats reside.

 

[Meengla]

It took only 6 years from 1971 to 1977 to create this Pakistan that has lasted for nearly half a century, much longer than the original already. Whatever happens, IK's chances of being more consequential than truck art portraits years from now are nearly non existent.

Right.
Also, I think, you and I probably have disagreements over what is needed. IMO, no small thanks to Modi's folly of Operation Sindoor, Pakistan has the best chance to turn a corner: China, KSA and USA are on very good terms with Pakistan. The changes we see in Pakistan maybe 'authoritarian' but they are needed as 'guarantees' to the powerful countries for investment, stability, focus, continuity of policies. The Trump-Munir 'private lunch' is the bedrock upon which Pakistan's internal and external policies are being laid upon--going to the foreseeable future.

 

[Forsvaret]

I'm not voting for that femboy twink. PTI is Imran Khan only.

How are you gonna vote for him when he is no longer alive?

 

[VCheng]

No matter how much military establishment wants or tries to push IK into this direction — it simply ain’t gonna work because IK / PTI’s support base is not only across Pakistan but also everywhere Pakistani expats reside.

Thus far, I am reminded of the old political joke that -thus far- all of IK's support base can fit on one tonga. When the rest actually show up, we can finally have a proper jaloos.

 

[VCheng]

Right.
Also, I think, you and I probably have disagreements over what is needed. IMO, no small thanks to Modi's folly of Operation Sindoor, Pakistan has the best chance to turn a corner: China, KSA and USA are on very good terms with Pakistan. The changes we see in Pakistan maybe 'authoritarian' but they are needed as 'guarantees' to the powerful countries for investment, stability, focus, continuity of policies. The Trump-Munir 'private lunch' is the bedrock upon which Pakistan's internal and external policies are being laid upon--going to the foreseeable future.

Of course intelligent discussion always has differences of opinions and views to make it enriching, but we can have that in another more appropriate thread.

 

[Forsvaret]

It took only 6 years from 1971 to 1977 to create this Pakistan that has lasted for nearly half a century…

Not really. It all began in early days of Pakistan with Jinnah’s untimely death and assassination of Pakistan’s first prime minister; Liaquat Ali Khan. Zia’s Pakistan is where it all came to a conclusion which took decades in the making.

 

[VCheng]

Not really. It all began in early days of Pakistan with Jinnah’s untimely death and assassination of Pakistan’s first prime minister; Liaquat Ali Khan. Zia’s Pakistan is where it all came to a conclusion which took decades in the making.

Nope. Jinnah's Pakistan was created in 1947 and died thirty years later in 1977. It no longer exists.

Zia's Pakistan was created in 1977 and carries on today.

 

[Forsvaret]

Zia's Pakistan was created in 1977 and carries on today.

Nope. Zia’s Pakistan in 1977 was the ultimate conclusion of everything that has been done with the country by military establishment since at least 1947. Our views differ on this subject so let’s just agree to disagree.

 

[VCheng]

Our views differ on this subject so let’s just agree to disagree.

That is fair enough for me.

 

[Meengla]

Nope. Jinnah's Pakistan was created in 1947 and died thirty years later in 1977. It no longer exists.

Zia's Pakistan was created in 1977 and carries on today.

Right. 1977! I grew up in the ZAB era. For all his faults, he still towers above the minnows that followed him. As for Zia, he basically ruined Pakistan! Najam Sethi even says that Imran's followers are 'The Children of General Zia'!

 

[Forsvaret]

Najam Sethi even says that Imran's followers are 'The Children of General Zia'!

Nope, that would be Nassan Mandela and his followers.

 

[VCheng]

Right. 1977! I grew up in the ZAB era. For all his faults, he still towers above the minnows that followed him. As for Zia, he basically ruined Pakistan! Najam Sethi even says that Imran's followers are 'The Children of General Zia'!

Again, rather than take this thread off topic, we can discuss it elsewhere.