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sahureka2 said:
If they are on board, the captain has one more option and two alternatives in case of need: to use them or not to use them.
If, on the other hand, you do not have them on board, you have no choice and no alternatives.
Therefore, I personally would like to have them on board.
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To me seems necessary to fit this ship class inside IRIN doctrine (IRGCN is another world), and the only two explanations I find are,

a) They're "auxiliary cruisers" like those RN Rawalpindi of the Second World War. A kind of improvised warship with secondary line missions.

b) They can be armed oilers to allow oil exports to allied and customers of Iranian oil. As they're formally under the IRIN rule or jurisdiction and are internationally protected by international laws about war.

But with that huge hull, oversized engine plant (that engine room is designed to move some ten thousands of crude oil) and small superestructure seems obvious that they wouldn't ever fit a fixed phased array radar or HMS or TAS sonars.

So I think they're oilers for exporting Iranian oil. With escort vessels they can sail safely around most of the sea lanes.
 
Flotilla said:
To me seems necessary to fit this ship class inside IRIN doctrine (IRGCN is another world), and the only two explanations I find are,

a) They're "auxiliary cruisers" like those RN Rawalpindi of the Second World War. A kind of improvised warship with secondary line missions.

b) They can be armed oilers to allow oil exports to allied and customers of Iranian oil. As they're formally under the IRIN rule or jurisdiction and are internationally protected by international laws about war.

But with that huge hull, oversized engine plant (that engine room is designed to move some ten thousands of crude oil) and small superestructure seems obvious that they wouldn't ever fit a fixed phased array radar or HMS or TAS sonars.

So I think they're oilers for exporting Iranian oil. With escort vessels they can sail safely around most of the sea lanes.
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The problem is they’re easy targets for attack craft from above they need to be equipped with capable air defenses from missiles to guns that can take out cruise missiles or air ground missiles I think easier said than done but yeah that’s what they need to survive in a real war
 
Shadi hassan said:
The problem is they’re easy targets for attack craft from above they need to be equipped with capable air defenses from missiles to guns that can take out cruise missiles or air ground missiles I think easier said than done but yeah that’s what they need to survive in a real war
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Entire IRIN and IRGCN naval fleets (32 combat Frigates/corvettes/Missile Crafts) are sitting ducks without air cover. Even if we fit them with Khordads and Bavar, the modern kamikaze drone will easily take out their onboard tracking radars.

Only solution is to keep the fleet in Persian Gulf and covered by low cost CAP/CAS BVR capable naval fighters. They really should have built 200 Kowsars for IRIAF as AT/CAP/CAS and as naval air cover over Persian Gulf for IRIN/IRGCN surface fleets.
 
Yes, by that reason those can´t never be a truly warships.
But being useless in war condition, they´re useful as a "grey ships". I mean, like "russian ghost fleet" used to smuggle oil around the world, both armed oilers (I cannot call them warships) could be useful to export oil to far countries with the protection of international laws. While IRIN cannot break the naval blockade to Venezuela or Cuba, both oilers could reach easily North Korea, Myanmar and other countries under severe US/EU sanctions.
 
Flotilla said:
Yes, by that reason those can´t never be a truly warships.
But being useless in war condition, they´re useful as a "grey ships". I mean, like "russian ghost fleet" used to smuggle oil around the world, both armed oilers (I cannot call them warships) could be useful to export oil to far countries with the protection of international laws. While IRIN cannot break the naval blockade to Venezuela or Cuba, both oilers could reach easily North Korea, Myanmar and other countries under severe US/EU sanctions.
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IRIN and IRGCN both have done countless long ranged voyages around the globe in recent years so the crew is well trained and over all the forces are well oiled but the air defense remains a problem.
 

The commander of the Iranian Navy announced that new vessels will soon be added to the fleet to strengthen the country’s operational presence and security missions in oceanic waters.​


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New Vessels to Join Iran’s Naval Fleet: Commander - Politics news - Tasnim News Agency

TEHRAN (Tasnim) – The commander of the Iranian Navy announced that new vessels will soon be added to the fleet to strengthen the country’s operational presence and security missions in oceanic waters.
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In Tasnim news there is an interest article about upcoming vessels for IRIN (?)

While it is not said which units, type and size are those new units, small hints can help imagination about their nature,

several new vessels will join the naval fleet, enabling the Navy to maintain a strong and effective presence in oceanic regions

It is said in plural, and high seas seaworthy vessels. The only known ships nearing completion are "Kurdestan" and the other auxiliary I don´t remember her name. The fifth south fleet Mowj class is not expected as it was far from fitting out at ISOICO shipyard. At much, it would be the re-entrance in service of Sahand after her refit.

Anyway for IRIN the real and better addition should be another Fateh class. They should be much more seaworthy and longer ranged SSK than Ghadir class. Newer iterations of Fateh class would bring better sonar suite, better communications and presumably better weapons to make Persian Gulf and narrowing waters much more challenging for US Navy. We saw two years ago a picture inside ISOICO of two hulls of Fateh class being assembled, and after that time it is probably that any of those additions would be one of them.
 
Mehdipersian said:
"Kurdistan" and the repaired "Sahand" unveiled in Iran navy
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The Sahand joined the Iranian Navy after repairs and reconstruction

"Kurdistan" main mission is to support combat units and escort.

The next support ship of the Iranian Navy will be called "Khuzestan".
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Is naming the ship Kurdistan meant as provocative name towards Türkiye ?
 
Ali_Baba said:
Is Kurdistan meant as provocative name towards Türkiye ?
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No, it is the name of a iranian region. As Baluchestan. Probably it is viceversa, that means that Iran formally claims the sovereignty over the Kurdestan region (iranian part, of course).

By the way, going to the main topic. The upper spherical antenna looks like the AESA radar of the Zulfiqar class speed boat and some members of Soleimani class. With that FCR over the command bridge (that looks like a S band radar of the Arman type and fitted also in some Soleimani class), if it is true, that means that Sahand could be capable of tracking long range aerial threads and short ranged also.

The ubiquitous question would be; where are the VLS for attacking any contacts?.
 
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