SMASH SLBM Testing - Nov 2025

[Ali_Baba]

The point being made is that indian navy ships can fire more anti ship missiles per vessel than PN ships.

Pakistan's surface fleet is at a disadvantage against the IN for sure, but then Naval procurement is very capital intensive so Pakistan can never effectively compete. Therefore the approach is of deterrence which is why the Yuan class submarines are soo important. That will bring an overall level of balance, where the risks for the IN are significant when you combine the submarines, with the Sea Sultan platform. So, a lot of things inflight to modernise to return to a level of balanced deterrence.

India's navy is structured for offensive operations, Pakistan's doctrine is defensive, deterrence based to keep sea lanes open and not much more than that.

The reason why the Indians are leaning on the Indian Navy so much, is because it is the only place where they currently have an advantage. We know about the IAF, and when it comes to the Army, they are balanced to the point of being a meat grinder, so Navy is what they are left with.

 

[muhammed45]

Congrats. Now no one can think of imposing naval blockade on Pakistan.

This missile is a bee sting in the eyes of the enemy.

Iran has armed Ansarallah of Yemen with a 800 Km anti ship BM. Its effectiveness against American aircraft carriers was eye catching. The AC had to hide itself behind KSA's shores as far as 1,000 Km. USAF lost F-18 as a consequence of firing the Iranian provided anti ship BM at American AC.

This kind of missiles have huge impact and are highly effective against strong navies. Ansarallah for example crippled American ACs in the read sea.

 

[muhammed45]

Is the SMASH 2 related to the CM-400AKG? It almost looks similar at least.

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That's a cruise missile at service of PAF, the one you pointed to. The thread title mentions ballistic missile. ???

 

[Corax]

Pakistan's surface fleet is at a disadvantage against the IN for sure, but then Naval procurement is very capital intensive so Pakistan can never effectively compete. Therefore the approach is of deterrence which is why the Yuan class submarines are soo important. That will bring an overall level of balance, where the risks for the IN are significant when you combine the submarines, with the Sea Sultan platform. So, a lot of things inflight to modernise to return to a level of balanced deterrence.

India's navy is structured for offensive operations, Pakistan's doctrine is defensive, deterrence based to keep sea lanes open and not much more than that.

Yes it would be futile to compete on a vessel by vessel basis. I think an asymmetric approach is needed for area denial for offensive operations of the IN. Similar to the PAF's multi domain operations, I think an equivalent approach is needed for the navy. In my view, this should leverage what we already have, and tactics that we have perfected. I would adopt the following elements.

1). A dedicated air arm for the fleet - a couple of squadrons of J10C backed up by their own AWACS and aerial refuelers providing anti air cover as well as anti-ship capability, under the command of the PN.

2). Land based anti-ship ballistic missiles based on our existing missiles with hypersonic manoeuvring warheads, range of about 1,000km.

3). MPA and satellite based target tracking and targeting, data linked to the anti-ship ballistic missiles and the air fleet.

4). Smaller hypersonic cruise missile equipped frigates and corvettes - P282 if that is what it is.

There's no reason why any of these can't be developed, we already have these capabilities in other domains. It's all a matter of will, and it shouldn't cost too much given it leverages what we already have or developing to a certain extent.

 

[Corax]

That's a cruise missile at service of PAF, the one you pointed to. The thread title mentions ballistic missile. ???

CM400AKG is an air launched quasi ballistic missiles, not a cruise missile.

 

[hnn]

The reason why the Indians are leaning on the Indian Navy so much, is because it is the only place where they currently have an advantage. We know about the IAF, and when it comes to the Army, they are balanced to the point of being a meat grinder, so Navy is what they are left with.

Since there are no restrictions on dreams one can have - what if the SMASH we showed on video is the F2 variant for Zulfiqar Class while the Turghil Class variant of SMASH is derived from CM-401? Now wouldn't that be a really nice surprise gift for IN?

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

Pakistan's surface fleet is at a disadvantage against the IN for sure, but then Naval procurement is very capital intensive so Pakistan can never effectively compete. Therefore the approach is of deterrence which is why the Yuan class submarines are soo important. That will bring an overall level of balance, where the risks for the IN are significant when you combine the submarines, with the Sea Sultan platform. So, a lot of things inflight to modernise to return to a level of balanced deterrence.

India's navy is structured for offensive operations, Pakistan's doctrine is defensive, deterrence based to keep sea lanes open and not much more than that.

The reason why the Indians are leaning on the Indian Navy so much, is because it is the only place where they currently have an advantage. We know about the IAF, and when it comes to the Army, they are balanced to the point of being a meat grinder, so Navy is what they are left with.

in other words (correct me if I am wrong)

heavy submarine numbers with PN, can balance more VLS advantage of IN, bec. the role of PN is only of coastal defense.

 

[Ali_Baba]

in other words (correct me if I am wrong)

heavy submarine numbers with PN, can balance more VLS advantage of IN, bec. the role of PN is only of coastal defense.

I think Pakistan should concern itself with establishing a zone of denial that it can enforce, and if VLS numbers give it then, then that is one way. Additionally, more land based systems with longer ranges will help for that denial capability, just look at the concept behind the long range Neptune missile that Ukraine has with a range of 1000km. It is a successful platform that took down some of the Russian ships, and Pakistan should develop a similar capability.

R-360 Neptune - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Is Pakistan designing systems for actual defence of Pakistan, or is it range restricting(or MTCR concerns) them so that it an focus on exports and selling them for cash as it is one of the few money making schemes that is profitable for the armed forces ?

 

[Deino]

That's a cruise missile at service of PAF, the one you pointed to. The thread title mentions ballistic missile. ???

Yes, since the CM-400AKG is an air-launched ballistic and not a cruise missile.

 

[muhammed45]

Yes, since the CM-400AKG is an air-launched ballistic and not a cruise missile.

Feel free to google it and find WIKI page

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

I think Pakistan should concern itself with establishing a zone of denial that it can enforce, and if VLS numbers give it then, then that is one way. Additionally, more land based systems with longer ranges will help for that denial capability, just look at the concept behind the long range Neptune missile that Ukraine has with a range of 1000km. It is a successful platform that took down some of the Russian ships, and Pakistan should develop a similar capability.

R-360 Neptune - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Is Pakistan designing systems for actual defence of Pakistan, or is it range restricting(or MTCR concerns) them so that it an focus on exports and selling them for cash as it is one of the few money making schemes that is profitable for the armed forces ?

thank you for your input!

indirectly, you have pointed out, coastal defense along with good AD can deter strongest navies!


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some users should be hired by Pak. Military Academy, bec, they have played few games and visited websites with garbage info!

total disrespect of ones ability to question or criticize respectfully


in fact, at times it feels here, certain users from abroad, feel they are privileged to ridicule any ones, who can question biasedness in their opinion



Sometimes when you argue with this privileged class, it feels like if they had the power, they would punish you just because you questioned them — as if someone dared to raise a question against what they said!


seems the more ignorant you are, the more 'blessed' you are!

 

[muhammed45]

CM400AKG is an air launched quasi ballistic missiles, not a cruise missile.

Lol there must be a reason for naming it CM

 

[Corax]

Lol there must be a reason for naming it CM

It's a rocket powered missile, there's no element of "cruise" to it's flight profile, if you don't understand something that basic, there's not much that can be done for you.

 

[Liquidator]

Yes, since the CM-400AKG is an air-launched ballistic and not a cruise missile.

Hello sir

This is purported to be the CM400AKG used in the recent conflict:

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Have you come across this footage? Or, do you know anything about it's veracity?

"Oh teri.." is a common saying used to describe a sense of shock or amazement.

 

[Deino]

Feel free to google it and find WIKI page

Care to explain what you want to say? Anyone knows, the CM-400AKG is a ballistic missile or do you want to tell us it is a cruise missile? Why should I google or search in Wiki?