Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

A. little patience is needed to watch this video on potential India - Pakistan conflicts which interestingly predicts at least two more wars; each longer, and more devastating than the May 2025 skirmish.

If this video really is representative of the educated urban English language fluent Indian Gen Z generation, then there are interesting aspects to consider. :
  • Indian Gen Z is now religious and believes in astrology
  • Indian Gen Z appears to be pessimistic about India's future over the next decade and fears damage and destruction in multiple wars with its neighbors that are inevitable.
  • Indian Gen Z beiieves India is somewhat isolated internationally in its conflict with Pakistan because of the USA's policy against India as well as the stance of India's other neighbors .
  • Indian Gen Z does not believe a nuclear war will break out between India and Pakistan but regardless, the multiple wars that will happen from March 2026 onwards each longer than the previous one will cause a near equivalent damage to both India and Pakistan.
  • Indian Gen Z believes in a "transformational change " necessary for India, which is the establishment of a theocratic state and abolishment of a colonial era Constitution.

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Well, reversion to religiousity and belief in the occult is reportedly on the rise in Gen Z in comparison to previous gens, but the sample is taken from across the globe and averaged out - there are multiple theories to explain this generational pattern. Academically, the "Late Stage Capitalism" and "Failure of the Left to provide a Naturalistic Ethical Framework (Independent of Divinity)" are two most well developed framework to understand this generational pattern.

As for the Astrology, Uranus (Planet of Disruption) is in the sign of Taurus (Sign of Material Security) and will move into Gemini (Sign of Duality/Curiosity/Communication) by April 2026 - and Pluto (Planet of Transformations/Death/Rebirth) is in the sign of Aquarius (Sign of Social Systems/Focus) where it'll stay until 2044 - so Astrologically the interpretation points more towards a gradual change in social hierarchy rather than a more disruptive one.

Besides, one doesn't need Astrology to come up with the predictions offered in the video. The October/November timelines was already an established timeline within military as the next possible time period for escalation. Using the same military logic - I already called out in this thread "false flag in a major city" days before Delhi happened and also the March 2026 timeline, and even the 2030 timeline 🥲

The simultaneous Astrological affirmation as presented by the video, however, does add substance for Indian population where Vedic Astrology has historically been a part of culture but I wouldn't generalize that onto the whole population. Those who believe in Astrology will certainly see these predictions as affirmations which otherwise can naturally be deduced using military warfare logic.
 
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@hnn ,@Sam6536
On the attitude of the Indian Gen Z population after the Pakistan India conflict in May 2025. This has far reaching implications in the indefinite state of war between India and Pakistan .

Specifically, on the current indefinite state of war between India and Pakistan since May 2025, the urban English speaking backpack mobile phone addicted Gen Z population in India are 100% on board supporting the war and their regime. But this support is very specific.

So far the participation of the Indian urban Gen Z population in the war, is limited to social media memes, "Youtube likes" and comments on X, Instagram etc. They do participate in occasional lynching and beating up of Kashmiris and Indian Muslims in public, usually in the metropolis cities in revenge, under the full glare of the media and upload videos of the lynchings to social media.

But beyond lynching and social media hate posts ( also letting off a few firecrackers after a cricket victory over Pakistan) , there is little appetite to get physically involved in the war.

There is no rush to line up at the Armed Forces recruitment centers, write the National Defense Academy examinations, , join the National Cadet Corps or even the Territorial Army. There isn't even a participation in Civil Defense or signing up with the Rifle Club and get trained on small arms.

The bulk majority of the Gen Z youth joining these defense military and paramilitary establishments are from the lower middle class, vernacular language medium ( usually Hindi), educated youth from rural areas or inner cities and small towns India's Agniveer program was supposed to attract youth talent into the Indian armed forces but has yet to live up to its hype.

The urban upper middle class Gen Z are more interested in converting their jobs in the Business Provider Outsourcing Centers to full-fledged overseas work visas ( usually the USA's H1-B) and emigrating out of India, A "techie" graduate in telecommunications from one of the Indian Institutes of Technology is hardly likely to join the Indian Army Corps of Signals.

In a twist of fate the relatively smaller number of Business Provider Outsourcing centers and smaller avenues of employment within the private sector in Pakistan has ensured that service with the Pakistani Armed Forces remains an attractive option for the Pakistani Gen Z population. So far the Pakistani armed forces have no shortage of applicants with technical backgrounds.
 
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Translation of the text below :
अभी हाल ही में Operation Sindoor हुआ। हमारी सेनाओं ने पाकिस्तान based terrorist camps को तबाह किया। हालाँकि हमने बेहद संतुलित उत्तर दिया था, हमारा जवाब escalatory नहीं था, लेकिन पाकिस्तान के रवैये ने Operation Sindoor के बाद border पर situation को normal नहीं रहने दिया। इस दौरान जिस तरह से देश भर में mock drills हुए और हमारे प्रशासनिक अधिकारियों ने उस mock drill को successfully जनता तक समझाते हुए पहुँचाया, वह आप सबके लोक सेवक होने का एक brilliant example है। आप सबको भी, भविष्य में होने वाली ऐसी किसी भी स्थिति के लिए अपने आप को मानसिक रूप से तैयार रखना है: रक्षा मंत्री श्री



ابھی حال ہی مین اپریشن سندوُر ہُوُا۔

ہماری افواج نے پاکستان مقیم دہشتکر ٹھکانوں کو تباہ کیا- حالانکہ ہمارا جواب انتہائی متوازن تھا escalatory نہیی تھا ۔لیکن پاکستان کے رویٌہ نےاپریشن سندوُر کے بعد سرحد پر حالت کو معموُل پر نہی رہنے دیا-
اس دوران جس طرح سے ملک بھر مین mock drills ہُوے اور ہمارے انتظامی اہلکارنے اُس mock drills (فرضی مشقیں) کو کامیابی سے اوام تک انکو سمجھاتے ہوُے پہچایا وہ آپ سب سرکاری ملازم ہونے کا ایک روشن مثال ہے-آپ سبکو مسُتقبل مین ہونے والی کسی بھی حالت کے لئے خُد کو ذہنی تور سے تیار
رہناہے -In

In Roman Urdu:
Abhi haal hi mein Operation Sindoor hua
Hamari Afwaj ne Pakistan muqeem dahshatgar thikano ko tabah kiya, , halaan ki humara jawab intihayee mutawazun tha aur escalatory nahin tha, Lekin Pakistan ke ravayye ne Operation Sindoor ke baad sarhad ko maamool par nahin rahne diya. Is dauran jis tarah mulk bhar mein farzi mashqein ( mock drills) huay aur hamare intizame ahlakar ne in farzi mashqein (mock drills) ko kamiyabi se awam tak unko samjhate huay pahunchaya wo aap sab sarkari mulazim hone ki raushan misaal hai. Aap sabko mustaqbil mein hone wali kisi bhi haalat ke liye zahni taur par tayyaar rahna hai,

The Indian defense minister's tweet It is not a warning or threat of war, but just a routine congratulations and morale boost to civil defense officials on successful mock drills and a general statement to be mentally prepared for any situations in the future,

Fun Fact:
As our nations go further apart linguistically it is no longer possible for Indians and Pakistanis to understand one another. The Indian Defense Minister like all North Indians speaks Shudh Hindi ( his English is very poor) , which very few in Pakistan understand. There is a serious risk of misunderstanding statements coming from the regime in India which unless translated with full reference to the nuances and context can be interpreted wrongly.
Some of us should learn Hindi because the nuances of the language are important . "Google translate " is not meant to translate the intent and nusnce of the message. This can be interpreted only by human translators familiar with the nuances and cultural references in a message.
Perhaps understanding the statements will keep us prepared and also avert a doomsday final conflict. In the Cold War Russian was widely taught in universities across the USA ( and likewise English taught in the Soviet Union) to understand what the enemy was saying.

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Your expertise remains a blessing.

Many Israelis understand Arabic. It is only logical that we have some cohorts within our defence/informational hierarchy who are adept in "Shudh Hindi", as unpleasant on the ear as it may be.
 
Your expertise remains a blessing.

Many Israelis understand Arabic. It is only logical that we have some cohorts within our defence/informational hierarchy who are adept in "Shudh Hindi", as unpleasant on the ear as it may be.
Yes,
The difference is that Arabic is a second official language in Israel in large areas such as the West Bank and East Jerusalem and there is a large minority indigenous population (both Jews and Arabs ) that speak Arabic.
In what was once East Pakistan we had the rich language resources of Sanskrit scholars as well as people fluent in every single language in Eastern and North Eastern India from Nagamese, Khasi, to Shudh Hindi, Avadhi, Magahi and Bhojpuri. In 1947 the diaspora of migrants from every nook and corner of India that flooded Sindh and Punjab, brought us Gujarati, Marathi, Haraynvi, Pahadi, Tamil, Telugu, Malayalam and Kannada. The Bhatkals brought us the Coorgi language so we could understand what Field Marshall Carriappa was saying on the telephone . .
The Post-1971 situation , stoppage of migration, the dying off of the pre-1947 generation and the Karachi melting pot, destroyed our language resources putting a huge information gap in our perception of the enemy.
On the other hand though rapidly reducing, our enemy still has some modest resources left to decode what we are thinking.
It's not only the defense establishment that needs language resources but our newspersons, diplomatic corps, and social media monitoring personnel.
Punjab University has some basic courses in Hindi and Bengali is taught at some institutions in Karachi. We have to wait for the next fascist wave of massacres in the enemy country to drive another 10 million multilingual refugees into Pakistan to restore our linguistic resources and capabilities.
 
Who requested it?
Pakistan

They requested india denied then pakistan started pressurizing (thats whats been circulating) and india bent over

Now the probable reasson why is india does NOT want to lose sri lanka in relations too, it is isolated completely from region and alienating sri lanka is suicide.

Their only friends are talibs who if u lob a few missiles go back to their 17th century caves. So yeah not looking good for india Foreign policy wise.
 
Pakistan

They requested india denied then pakistan started pressurizing (thats whats been circulating) and india bent over

Now the probable reasson why is india does NOT want to lose sri lanka in relations too, it is isolated completely from region and alienating sri lanka is suicide.

Their only friends are talibs who if u lob a few missiles go back to their 17th century caves. So yeah not looking good for india Foreign policy wise.
Not sure if it was a wise move by Pakistan
 
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Lollies they bent over quick

It really hurts them when Islamabad conducts good faith humanitarian work. It is evidence of their hybrid (chanakiya) doctrine - harm of ALL Pakistani efforts, civilian or non-civilian, is fair game.

We recall how Modi tried his best to sabotage Khan's Kartarpur corridor until Sikhs realised his game. Then of course, Modi claimed it was all his doing while wearing one of his custom built turbans.
 
yesterday, I heard all day, podcasts of ex-IA officials

one interview, shed some light on purpose of Cold Strike!

he said, it is meant to take storage sites of Pak. offensive missiles like NASR!

Cold Strike, is supposed to go through the defenses without the use of armor
 
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yesterday, I heard all day, podcasts of ex-IA officials

one interview, shed some light on purpose of Cold Strike!

he said, it is meant to take storage sites of Pak. offensive missiles like NASR!

Cold Strike, is supposed to go through the defenses without the use of armor
Was it Cold Strike or Cold Start?
The Cold Start doctrine goes back to 2000. The objective of Cold Start was to make an unexpected ( unprovoked) sudden intense thrust or incursion at some point on the international border and seize a large chunk of territory. After declaring a unilateral ceasefire the captured territory would be used to negotiate for the withdrawal of Pakistani troops from Azad Kashmir. The war games ( military exercises) for Cold Start were centered around the Multan-Dera Ismail Khan axis, intended to cut off Lahore and Hyderabad.
Foreign Military experts found the Cold Start doctrine feasible given India's overwhelming advantage in air power, attack helicopters, armor and artillery back-up.

Cold Start elsewhere
Ukraine did a version of Cold Start in 2024. Backed by NATO intelligence, ATACMs support, and sophisticated armor Ukraine seized 1000 sq.km of territory in the Kursk region. Ukraine hoped to use it as a negotiating point after a ceasefire , and force Russia to vacate the Donbas and Crimea.
The Russians were not impressed, and continued to seize territory in the Donbas. Six months later Russia pivoted back in a crushing counter-offensive, to throw the Ukrainian forces out of Kursk.
Ukraine paid dearly for the diversion of forces desperately required on other key areas of the front in defense of its own territory,. Casualty figures are sketchy but Ukraine is estimated to have lost 6000-8000 elite fighting men, along with hundreds of fighting vehicles and dozens of helicopters. The only saving grace was that most of the surviving Ukrainian forces managed to slip out of encirclement, so Russia took far fewer prisoners than it had hoped for.


Cold Strike - Cold Start combo
Pakistan's response to a Cold Start or Cold Strike is going to be very different from Russia. Pakistan does not enjoy strategic depth like Russia and can't afford even a temporary occupation of its territory. If India seizes territory Pakistan will not be able to recover it without jeopardizing its position on the other areas of the front.
Which is why an instant tactical nuclear response to a Cold Startv is inevitable should an Indian armored break through happen. India knows the threat from tactical nuclear weapons to its Cold Start doctrine. As far as is known Pakistan has only one way of delivering a tactical nuclear response to a surprise Indian attack ; which is using its Nasr missiles. India knows the peacetime locations of these missiles and therefore will target these before launching Cold Start in a Cold Strike using its tried and tested Brahmos missiles.
At this point the Cold Strike seems very feasible
It is unclear at this stage what is Pakistan's counter strategy but it is worth considering the following :
1. Pakistan will likely be alerted and tipped off by its allies of an impending Cold Strike. By contrast Russia was taken by surprise by the Ukrainian Kursk incursion.
2. Pakistan would move its Nasr missiles to safer locations possibly in hardened shelters but that would limit their usage as Nasr missiles are short range, and need to be closer to the front in the actual zone of the fighting.
3. Pakistan may arm its other assets with tactical nukes such as the longer range Ra'ad cruise missiles or drones.
4. Pakistan may use stand off weapons such as glide bombs configured as tactical nukes.
5.Pakistan could consider using nuclear mines or booby traps and deliberately retreat to lure the enemy Integrated Battle Groups into a kill zone.

At this point not much is known about Pakistan's anticipated response to a Cold Strike-Cold Start, but there will be tactical nuclear surprises in store.
 
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The Indian media and Pakistani Youtubers are saying that Y-20s have been doing their rounds to Pakistan. Apparently several flights in one week. Could it be true?

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