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[F.O.X]

You are not following me at all. I will not risk my investment as long as the likes of zardari and nawaz sharif are in power ..not a single dollar will go into Pakistan and if you don’t get this simple point then you are a very naive person or you are on their payroll. It has nothing to do with emotions ..it is practical..I wont allow an ounce of my investment to go into zardari pocket. Almost every Pakistani I know says that . We are dying to do business in Pakistan as we see tremendous potential but not as long a zardari, sharif and the army is in power .

IK delivered 6 percent growth consistently without American coalition dollars …he was on the right track ..not perfect but I felt optimism just talking to the youth in Karachi and Lahore…there was new energy. Yes he made mistakes up by putting people like buzdar in power but no one can say that he is corrupt. Yes I get you that we should not rely on one man but I dont see any one today leading Pakistan out of this mess. Our army needs to be restructured ..our economy needs to restructured …old mafia has to be dismantled so yes nawaz sharif and zardari will have to give up their gravy train . Our youth have to be trained for the new world ..we are falling behind. We need entrepreneurs starting new businesses and global enterprises. Only IK has talked about this . Nawaz and zardari and asim munir are still thinking of the old school top down colonial mindset ..ie taking bheek and investment from the west. Not going to work. Unfortunately IK is the only person I can think of who can do this sorrry. Your boys are useless.

You are making your argument about corruption, but ignoring the basic reality that no country can function on the business mood of one political fanbase. If your investment depends entirely on who sits in the PM House, then the problem is not Zardari or Nawaz. The problem is the absence of stable systems. Countries grow when institutions matter, not when businessmen wait for one personality to return.

Saying “not a single dollar will enter Pakistan until X is back” is an emotional stance no matter how you package it. Practical investors diversify risk , not freze everything based on political liking. You can dislike the current leadership, but the idea that the entire economy must pause until your preferred leader returns is not rational economics.

About IK delivering 6 percent growth, you are ignoring the most important part. That growth was fueled by record imports, record borrowing, artificially low interest rates and no structural reforms. Growth that colapses the moment you remove subsidies is not real growth. This is exactly why the economy fell apart immediately after. Sustainable growth requires reforms in taxation, exports, energy and industry. None of that happened.

You keep saying IK is not corrupt. Fine, but clean intentions do not replace competent policy. He lost three finance ministers, changed economic direction repeatedly, and never built the reforms needed to stabilise the long term economy. Optimism and slogans are not a substitute for institution building.

You also blame Nawaz, Zardari and the army, but then claim IK is the only one who can save Pakistan. This is the same savior mindset that keeps the system broken. Pakistan cannot depend on one man to “fix everything.” That is not how modern states operate. Real reform comes from strengthening institutions, not idolising individuals.

And the idea that only IK cares about entrepreneurship is simply false. Every leader talks about startups. What matters is policy continuity, predictable regulations, stable taxation and long term planning. None of this existed under any government, including PTI.

If your argument is that Pakistan must dismantle the “old mafia,” then you also need to accept that it cannot be done by emotional loyalty to one leader. It requires a complete institutional overhaul, something no single politician has delivered.

You can wait for IK if you want. That is your personal preference. But calling everyone who disagrees “naive or on the payroll” only proves that your judgment is driven by political attachment, not economics.

Countries succeed when systems matter more than personalities. Pakistan will not move forward until people accept this basic truth.

 

[F.O.X]

You raise a valid point about the risks of relying on a single individual. However, it is important to recognize that certain leaders can instill confidence and direction within an organization. For example, Steve Jobs and other founders who were initially removed from their companies but later returned played pivotal roles in revitalizing their businesses. In many cases, success is not solely about one person but about the environment and culture the leader cultivates. He had within his hands the minds and hearts of the youth and the elderly, could have molded a generation to come; he was the Obama of Pakistan, for what it's worth. You do not see the same enthusiasm with the current crop at the nation's helm.

With PTI, it was their first term in office, and they were operating against entrenched systemic challenges and decades of fiscal mismanagement. Had PTI not stepped in and things continued as is, all signs indicated Pakistan was going to head south either way. Let’s not overlook the fact that their economic team faced internal collapse due to religious disputes over having a Qaidini on the team, which further complicated establishing a team. Your team of PhDs collapsed because that resurgent culture violated human decency.

Regarding the bolded I highlighted, political parties such as PML-N and PPP, and I will include the military in this as a political party, as they've governed a good portion of Pakistan over the decades, have alternated power for over six decades. Despite this revolving leadership, they consistently failed to implement meaningful structural reforms or uphold the integrity of government institutions. Given this track record, it is difficult to expect these exact figures to deliver anything fundamentally different now. The performance of your SIFC, or lack thereof, reflects the confidence of local and international investors concerning Pakistan.

Pakistan will not move forward, and it never will, because its system is a true reflection of its people. Either it's on purpose or not, you've all made it by hand.

Your comparison of IK to Steve Jobs or Obama sounds good, but it ignores the fundamentel difference between a political system and a private corporation. Apple can revolve around one visionary because it is a controlled internal environment. A country of 240 million cannot. When a nation’s entire economy and future depend on one personality , that is not visionary leadership . That is a structural failure.

Yes, leaders can inspire a nation, but inspiration without institutional strength collapses the moment the leader is removed. This is exactly what happened. If IK had truly built strong systems, his removal would not have brought everything to a standstill.

You say PTI faced entrenched challenges. Every government did. That is not unique to PTI. The issue is that PTI also failed to deliver the structural reforms they promised. There were no tax reforms, no energy reforms, no export push and no industrial restructuring. The team collapse you mentioned only proves the lack of internal discipline and the inability to manage a cohesive economic direction.

The “first term” excuse does not hold. Leaders are judged by the reforms they initiate, not by how much they complain about the mess they inherited. Every party inherits a mess because no one fixes anything.

You are right that PPP, PML N and the military have a long history of rotating power without real change. But that does not automatically make IK the only solution. This is the savior syndrome that has kept Pakistan stuck. If every generation believes that one man will come and fix everything, no institution will ever develop. Nations progress when the system becomes stronger than the personalities inside it.

You mentioned investor confidence. Investors need predictability, not personality politics. Pakistan’s biggest economic problem is that policies change every time the government changes. Even PTI reversed its own policies multiple times, which destroyed confidence.

Finally, saying “Pakistan will never move forward because its system reflects its people” is not an argument. It is just cynicism. The same people produced world class doctors, engineers, scientists, entrepreneurs and some of the strongest diasporas in the world. The problem is not the people. The problem is that every political debate in Pakistan eventually turns into hero worship instead of institutional reform.

If Pakistan keeps tying its future to a single leader, nothing will ever change. Strong systems work even with average leaders. Weak systems collapse even with charismatic ones. That is the real difference between countries that grow and countries that repeat the same cycle every decade.

 

[Pakistanithinktank]

For over two decades, China has poured billions into Pakistan through the Belt and Road Initiative, particularly the China & Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC). Yet behind the rhetoric of “iron brotherhood,” Beijing’s patience is wearing thin.

Repeated political crises, weak governance, and Pakistan’s chronic reliance on IMF bailouts have made Chinese leaders question whether their investments are secure. What frustrates Beijing most is not the lack of resources, but the lack of reform. Pakistan’s leadership has failed to build a sustainable economic model, leaving China to shoulder risks it never intended to carry.

China’s policymakers have watched Pakistan approach the IMF again and again, nearly 25 years of recurring bailouts. Each cycle erodes confidence in Islamabad’s ability to stand on its own feet.

For Beijing, this is more than an economic nuisance. It undermines the credibility of CPEC, raises doubts about repayment of loans, and exposes Chinese workers to instability. The “begging bowl” image is not just humiliating for Pakistan, it is a warning sign for China that its partner may never escape dependency.

From Beijing’s perspective, the message is becoming impossible to ignore. Pakistan is not suffering from a lack of resources, it is suffering from misplaced priorities.

And while China is assessing these dangerous structural cracks, Pakistan’s establishment appears consumed by one goal, controlling Imran Khan and dismantling PTI’s political power. Instead of focusing on reforms, security, and economic stability, the machinery of the state is deployed to keep a popular leader behind bars and silence his party.

 

[Forsvaret]

Countries succeed when systems matter more than personalities.

Strong systems work even with average leaders.

Lies, lies and even more lies! EU countries have developed strong institutions over many centuries and yet, they’re still collapsing because of weak & average leaders at the helm of their govt affairs.

 

[Xestan]

Imran Khan's sister Uzma Khan met him yesterday and came out of the meeting to say these words.

Imran Khan believes that Army Chief Asim Munir has provoked Afghanistan to wage a war, which has increased terrorism in Pakistan.

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Before Mods merge my thread or delete it because there's no proper source. I have posted a video from PTI's official page where Uzma Khan is herself saying these words.

 

[Areesh]

I don't know how many times I have to say this but

This war between Imran Khan and establishment is war of two clowns

There is no good or bad in this. Just two clowns fighting it out while Pakistan ends up as a loser

 

[Vapnope]

Yeah Asim Munir was the one who harbored militants of Faqir of Ipi starting from 1947. Asim Munir was the one who started Pushtunistan, Asim Munir was the one who harbored Al Zulfikar, Asim Munir is the one sending suicide bombers and tashkeels to kill common pakistanis...

Level hai bhai ap logon ka !

 

[Xestan]

I don't know how many times I have to say this but

This war between Imran Khan and establishment is war of two clowns

There is no good or bad in this. Just two clowns fighting it out while Pakistan ends up as a loser

It's sad and disgraceful that in this war of words, one party sees nothing wrong in attacking Pakistan's national security and justifying the enemy's actions.

 

[Trailer23]

No - "He is alive and well".
No - "How are my sons doing?"

Just directly taking a shot at Asim Munir over Afghanistan.

I guess IK won't be seeing anyone for another couple of months.

I doubt I have seen a bigger dofus in the history of PAK Politics. Sorry if that hurts the PTI Supporters.

 

[Forsvaret]

Imran Khan believes that Army Chief Asim Munir has provoked Afghanistan to wage a war, which has increased terrorism in Pakistan.

This war between Imran Khan and establishment is war of two clowns

Level hai bhai ap logon ka !

Just directly taking a shot at Asim Munir over Afghanistan.

IK is a Yahoodi agent. He is a playboy. He is done & dusted in prison. Stop taking his words seriously, dude!

 

[Forsvaret]

It's sad and disgraceful that in this war of words, one party sees nothing wrong in attacking Pakistan's national security and justifying the enemy's actions.

Then people in charge of Pakistan’s national security should simply stop throwing people in charge of country’s politics in prison! You reap what you sow!

 

[Dalit]

Imran Khan's sister Uzma Khan met him yesterday and came out of the meeting to say these words.

Imran Khan believes that Army Chief Asim Munir has provoked Afghanistan to wage a war, which has increased terrorism in Pakistan.

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Before Mods merge my thread or delete it because there's no proper source. I have posted a video from PTI's official page where Uzma Khan is herself saying these words.

Imran Khan's entire Afghanistan policy is flawed. He is wrong about Afghans.

Afghanistan is like India a hostile foe.

 

[Forsvaret]

Dude, you seriously need to get laid...

Nah, you can’t have it both ways. Either IK’s politics is finished because he is a convicted criminal by Pakistani courts or he is still the real leader of Pakistan and illegitimately placed in prison by the military establishment. Take your pick!

 

[Forsvaret]

Imran Khan's entire Afghanistan policy is flawed.

No, we don’t talk about convicted criminals rotting in prison. IK can’t do politics from his prison cell. He is done & dusted! We should stop taking his BS seriously. At least that’s what some 22th grade army officer said.

 

[Dalit]

No, we don’t talk about convicted criminals rotting in prison. IK can’t do politics from his prison cell. He is done & dusted! We should stop taking his BS seriously. At least that’s what some 22th grade army officer said.

I know you are being sarcastic. You know my stance. I support Imran Khan on many things. I have always had a difference with Imran Khan with regards to Afghanistan. Afghanistan is an enormous problem and Pakistan is tackling it very well at the moment. Imran Khan needs to change his stance on Afghanistan.