PTI News, Updates and Discussion

[Meengla]

I often just skim videos or articles; not enough time and often just first 15-25% is enough to get the gist anyway.
This latest video is very interesting. Look at how Imran dismissed any concerns his own party members have about his sisters giving interviews to Indian channels. What it clearly betrays is that he runs his 'political party' as a personal enterprise: If his sisters are taking the heat over the interviews to Indian media, he is going to support his sisters over his own advisors. Add to that, he ignored his party members' advice to not boycott the recent By-Elections and that stupid decision has cost him much in electoral politics.
Here is the video and the screen cap from the video.

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[VCheng]

At the least, those of us who know how the use of religion as political tool should identify and let the new generation of Pakistanis know of those dangers.
If can find a video of 'The Pakistan Experience' from many months ago in which the host (Ghias) had Syed Muzammal Shah had a long debate; they, especially Muzammal, are not some Establishment touts and are quite young--certainly not raised in Zia's era unlike it was my and your curse to be raise in. Anyway, in that debate, they rightly identified Zia'ism in Imran and IIRC Imran as the worst option for Pakistan even considering the sorry alternates.

The basic problem that remains is actually the Objectives Resolution. As long as that remains a bedrock, Pakistan's people will remain susceptible to demagogues of all kinds using religion to manipulate them, and not just IK.

I have been perhaps quite alone on PDF for all this time in recognizing this fatal flaw deep within the entity of Pakistan, and it is only getting worse with time.

 

[Forsvaret]

What it clearly betrays is that he runs his 'political party' as a personal enterprise…

How is that any different from the man in charge of military establishment (Hazrat Asim Munir) doing the same? I have never heard you complaining about that?

 

[Forsvaret]

The basic problem that remains is actually the Objectives Resolution.

Objectives Resolution came from the Muslim members of Pakistan’s Constituent Assembly who were tasked to create the country’s first constitution. Even Ahmedi Muslim members supported it. The only people having reservations against it were the non-Muslim members of the said assembly.

 

[airhead]

You are making your argument about corruption, but ignoring the basic reality that no country can function on the business mood of one political fanbase. If your investment depends entirely on who sits in the PM House, then the problem is not Zardari or Nawaz. The problem is the absence of stable systems. Countries grow when institutions matter, not when businessmen wait for one personality to return.

Saying “not a single dollar will enter Pakistan until X is back” is an emotional stance no matter how you package it. Practical investors diversify risk , not freze everything based on political liking. You can dislike the current leadership, but the idea that the entire economy must pause until your preferred leader returns is not rational economics.

About IK delivering 6 percent growth, you are ignoring the most important part. That growth was fueled by record imports, record borrowing, artificially low interest rates and no structural reforms. Growth that colapses the moment you remove subsidies is not real growth. This is exactly why the economy fell apart immediately after. Sustainable growth requires reforms in taxation, exports, energy and industry. None of that happened.

You keep saying IK is not corrupt. Fine, but clean intentions do not replace competent policy. He lost three finance ministers, changed economic direction repeatedly, and never built the reforms needed to stabilise the long term economy. Optimism and slogans are not a substitute for institution building.

You also blame Nawaz, Zardari and the army, but then claim IK is the only one who can save Pakistan. This is the same savior mindset that keeps the system broken. Pakistan cannot depend on one man to “fix everything.” That is not how modern states operate. Real reform comes from strengthening institutions, not idolising individuals.

And the idea that only IK cares about entrepreneurship is simply false. Every leader talks about startups. What matters is policy continuity, predictable regulations, stable taxation and long term planning. None of this existed under any government, including PTI.

If your argument is that Pakistan must dismantle the “old mafia,” then you also need to accept that it cannot be done by emotional loyalty to one leader. It requires a complete institutional overhaul, something no single politician has delivered.

You can wait for IK if you want. That is your personal preference. But calling everyone who disagrees “naive or on the payroll” only proves that your judgment is driven by political attachment, not economics.

Countries succeed when systems matter more than personalities. Pakistan will not move forward until people accept this basic truth.

I agree that it should be about systems and processes not personalities but in a country like Pakistan there isn’t anything like systems and processes so leadership pretty much sets the tone. If sharif and zardari show the example of how corruption is ok it trickles down fast so leadership and culture setting is critical which Sharif and zardari don’t know about but IK has the charisma and you need that is a place like Pakistan today…similar to the Steve Jobs example or Nelson Mandela example. If I knew that the institutions and processes were strong and that there were checks and balances I would have set up a large office in Karachi employing Lums and IBA graduates but I will not because i know sharif and zardari will eat my money. I used to think that army is not corrupt and i used to be a big admirer but now I am realizing that while they may not be as bad as sharif, they will look the other way as long as the civilians to bother them too much. My feeling is that there is tons of corruption in the army and possibly other services precisely because there aren’t checks and balances .

So yea I agree that relying on one person is risky but in a place like Pakistan where there aren’t checks and balances, judiciary is controlled, you need an incorruptible;l, brave and charismatic leader. IK has these qualities and I believe his time has come now to lead us through this crisis. Yes it is risky because if he is gone then there is vacuum and this is his biggest weakness is that he has not put in the checks and balances and processes in his own party some don’t have a clear successor. Afridi has the right qualities i hope. Once IK is in power yes I hope we can route the sharif, zardari as asim mafia from its core , put in fair processes and have fair elections with no interference and build institutions both govt and private global enterprises. Army needs to focus on battlefield ..every ounce of coas brain needs to focus on battlefield and how to get all Kashmir and Hyderabad and junagarh back and defeat India as well get Afghanistan into Pakistan ..we need to become a big power otherwise we will get eaten up. We need strategists and entrepreneurs.!AI is changing the world and we need a new Workforce with an inspirational leader at the start..IK has that ..he can galvanize the youth. Trust me we have great talent..we just need good leadership that can educate and inspire our brains and also get people like me to come back to Pakistan. I will as soon as the mafia is uprooted ..that is the day Pakistan will unleash itself

 

[Meengla]

So yea I agree that relying on one person is risky but in a place like Pakistan where there aren’t checks and balances, judiciary is controlled, you need an incorruptible;l, brave and charismatic leader. IK has these qualities and I believe his time has come now to lead us through this crisis.

You guys give too much credit to an obvious intellectual dwarf! You guys live in a parallel world. Imran was given power for almost four years. He had the support of the intelligentsia, the media, the Judiciary, the Establishment and indeed considerable part of Pakistan's population. I can't think of anyone who had that kind of support in my lifetime of 60 years observing Pakistan's politics.
But Imran's braincells were about how to keep his 'corrupt' political opponents in prison and gloat about that even when addressing overseas Pakistanis in America, how to sell State gifts like the expensive watch and cover his trail on that, how to prolong his power by ass-kissing some Generals, how to use the higher Judiciary for his own political gains, how to be a smart-ass by dumping Pakistan's vital commercial allies in the Gulf by embracing mid-level countries like Malaysia, how to appear 'austere' by selling the buffaloes from the Prime Minister House, how to appear like some Puritan Muslim by carrying a prayer beads and starting his speeches by quoting Quranic verses, how to appear nationalistic by wearing a Sherwani, how to appear a 'Leader of the Youth' by using Botox and dying his hair... Everything carefully designed for 'Charisma' to fool the gullible.
@F.O.X has written some good posts above dismantling personal incorruption vs governance.

 

[Forsvaret]

Everything carefully designed for 'Charisma' to fool the gullible.

Alas! IK is fooling no one from his prison cell.

 

[VCheng]

You guys give too much credit to an obvious intellectual dwarf! You guys live in a parallel world. Imran was given power for almost four years. He had the support of the intelligentsia, the media, the Judiciary, the Establishment and indeed considerable part of Pakistan's population. I can't think of anyone who had that kind of support in my lifetime of 60 years observing Pakistan's politics.
But Imran's braincells were about how to keep his 'corrupt' political opponents in prison and gloat about that even when addressing overseas Pakistanis in America, how to sell State gifts like the expensive watch and cover his trail on that, how to prolong his power by ass-kissing some Generals, how to use the higher Judiciary for his own political gains, how to be a smart-ass by dumping Pakistan's vital commercial allies in the Gulf by embracing mid-level countries like Malaysia, how to appear 'austere' by selling the buffaloes from the Prime Minister House, how to appear like some Puritan Muslim by carrying a prayer beads and starting his speeches by quoting Quranic verses, how to appear nationalistic by wearing a Sherwani, how to appear a 'Leader of the Youth' by using Botox and dying his hair... Everything carefully designed for 'Charisma' to fool the gullible.
@F.O.X has written some good posts above dismantling personal incorruption vs governance.

Summary: All style and no substance equals piss-poor leadership.

 

[Meengla]

Summary: All style and no substance equals piss-poor leadership.

And especially beware of those who wear religion on their sleeves.

 

[Forsvaret]

Summary: All style and no substance equals piss-poor leadership.

And especially beware of those who wear religion on their sleeves.

Sounds just like military establishment and its "leadership"!

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

Sounds just like military establishment and its "leadership"!

You’re so cunning that you pretend to be stupid.

so, I asked GPT to do extract words that re-define your profile!

interesting choice of words, for tail words, which appear less but have high impact!

why this was necessary!

1. to not let you escape, by having more excuses
2. to point out whether your narrative has anything to do with real problems in Pakistan?
3. what is your contribution towards any challenge faced by Pakistan?
4. how bright are you?
5. are you capable of understanding deep philo. ideas like collapse, decay or chaos?!
(see the list of long tail words!)

 

[airhead]

You guys give too much credit to an obvious intellectual dwarf! You guys live in a parallel world. Imran was given power for almost four years. He had the support of the intelligentsia, the media, the Judiciary, the Establishment and indeed considerable part of Pakistan's population. I can't think of anyone who had that kind of support in my lifetime of 60 years observing Pakistan's politics.
But Imran's braincells were about how to keep his 'corrupt' political opponents in prison and gloat about that even when addressing overseas Pakistanis in America, how to sell State gifts like the expensive watch and cover his trail on that, how to prolong his power by ass-kissing some Generals, how to use the higher Judiciary for his own political gains, how to be a smart-ass by dumping Pakistan's vital commercial allies in the Gulf by embracing mid-level countries like Malaysia, how to appear 'austere' by selling the buffaloes from the Prime Minister House, how to appear like some Puritan Muslim by carrying a prayer beads and starting his speeches by quoting Quranic verses, how to appear nationalistic by wearing a Sherwani, how to appear a 'Leader of the Youth' by using Botox and dying his hair... Everything carefully designed for 'Charisma' to fool the gullible.
@F.O.X has written some good posts above dismantling personal incorruption vs governance.

dude no one is saying IK is perfect but given where zardari and nawas are, here is a godsend. Yes he is no angel and has many flaws, but he is incorruptible, has charisma, and definitely speaks well and can capture an audience as opposed to the baffoon that nawaz is (needs a bloody parchi in front of US presidents to make a simple sentence) and zardari who cannot find a moment to take a break from getting his 10% commissions. Now we are surprised when IMF and UN tell us that Pakistan right now has unprecedented levels of corruption....so why are we surprised. Given where we are and what choices we have,IK is the right guy for us. He is standing up to the military and has balls of steel. He has learnt from his 3.5 years and half of which was COVID but delivered 6 % growth in his last two years!! Industries were growing and IT companies were propping up. Heck i had an office in pakistan and i employed a team there. Now forget it

 

[Forsvaret]

You’re so cunning that you pretend to be stupid.

I mean, you guys are like attacking PTI / IK as if it has ruled the country since 1947 while giving a free pass to military establishment which has actually done it for decades! You guys love blaming the establishment for bringing IK / PTI to power but can’t stop giving it credit for removing what they themselves brought in the first place. When I point out the good things PTI / IK has done, you’re skeptical. And when it comes to pointing out all the bad things about PTI / IK you believe them all as if it was some Quranic verse or something. What does your AI say about that behavior of IK / PTI critics?

 

[PakFactor]

The basic problem that remains is actually the Objectives Resolution. As long as that remains a bedrock, Pakistan's people will remain susceptible to demagogues of all kinds using religion to manipulate them, and not just IK.

I have been perhaps quite alone on PDF for all this time in recognizing this fatal flaw deep within the entity of Pakistan, and it is only getting worse with time.

I agree with you on the Objectives Resolution. I believe we discussed it last year. The constitution of Pakistan contradicts itself by being both secular and religious. It's almost comical how this document that unites the people is as confused as they are.

 

[VCheng]

You’re so cunning that you pretend to be stupid.

so, I asked GPT to do extract words that re-define your profile!

Interesting, but entirely predictable results.

I have come to the conclusion to just read any such posts, no matter which member, and just move one without a comment. There are plenty of sane people here to discuss the topic of this thread much more intelligently and without blatant hypocrisy.

One, or a few, person(s) cannot bring down the quality of a forum unless we let them.

On topic: Now that IK's sister has confirmed that he is well after meeting him, I wonder what steps will PTI be taking next, now that their latest reason to create mayhem has been deflated.