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Do you think PTI has a future without Imran Khan?

  • Yes

    Votes: 22 19.6%
  • No

    Votes: 80 71.4%
  • Only if senior leadership is released

    Votes: 10 8.9%

  • Total voters
    112
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I don't think you have a full grasp on how global liquidity impacts small 3rd world economies. AI has this to say:

Pakistan’s growth was externally powered, not internally earned.

It was borrowed growth, because:
  • It depended on global stimulus (not Pakistani reforms)
  • It vanished when global tightening began
  • It was not backed by productivity gains
  • It didn’t build lasting reserves or capacity
So, you all "expected" IK to perform economic miracles in just 3 years, something which the all powerful military establishment or their PPP + PMLN allies couldn’t perform, despite being in power for decades before IK! 🙄
 
12 months before VONC is reign was falling apart and the public were turning against him.

He did not deliver any meaningful change. He was destroying Punjab through Buzdar and KP stood still and went backwards in some areas like literacy rates. Corruption indexes kept ticking up. His policies did not take affect at ground level. He couldn't execute nor could he organise.

On the security front he negotiated a fragile ceasefire with the terorrists which was was already breaking down 2 years into his tenure and allowed space for them to spread. He attempted to legitimize BLA. The issues you are seeing today is because of the miscalculations in his tenture.

Pakistan was not growing organically. The global markets had pumped in liquidity in response to covid lockdowns. He did not prepare Pakistan for the downturn that was to come.

He was a flop. As ineffective as PPP if not worse. Only reason he has support is because of ethnic populism or cultism. Even Altaf Hussain had support, doesn't mean anything in Pakistan.

You can actually thank the army for that again. Had they just let him complete the term he'd be a finished man, except they jumped the gun on the pretext that country was falling apart and brought back PDM. In doing so they also went back on their own narrative that these people are corrupt.

Was the pretext true? Most likely no because this is the same line Musharaf used when ousting Nawaz Sharif and Zia for Bhutto and so on. It is a well prepared script to be used whenever the civilian underling outlives its welcome.
 
Had they just let him complete the term he'd be a finished man, except they jumped the gun on the pretext that country was falling apart and brought back PDM.
Yeah, I remember IK / PTI having no friends in the traditional media (which is unfortunately the only source of information for most Pakistani baboos). There were persistent negative reports about the country defaulting, despite Pakistan’s national reserves being at their peak at that time:
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Was the pretext true? Most likely no because this is the same line Musharaf used when ousting Nawaz Sharif and Zia for Bhutto and so on. It is a well prepared script to be used whenever the civilian underling outlives its welcome.
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And prevented an economic default.

Just want to add a little footnote for our viewers. They temporarily prevented a default by kicking the can down the road, getting short-term bailouts and loans, and the crucial factor is the debt rollover. Eventually, someone's kids will have to pay, once the bandage can't hold the cracks.
 
Just want to add a little footnote for our viewers. They temporarily prevented a default by kicking the can down the road, getting short-term bailouts and loans, and the crucial factor is the debt rollover. Eventually, someone's kids will have to pay, once the bandage can't hold the cracks.
Have you ever noticed how the position people like @VCheng or @Meengla take here against IK govt are usually the same as people like Faisal Vawda? 🤭:
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Have you ever noticed how the position people like @VCheng or @Meengla take here against IK govt are usually the same as people like Faisal Vawda? 🤭:
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Faisal Vawda is a fool, born and drop-kicked. The problem with Pakistan is that the information released is heavily manipulated, and some want to depend on it, while others try to find flaws in it. As you and I study this field, we approach it from completely different perspectives.
 
Just want to add a little footnote for our viewers. They temporarily prevented a default by kicking the can down the road, getting short-term bailouts and loans, and the crucial factor is the debt rollover. Eventually, someone's kids will have to pay, once the bandage can't hold the cracks.

The story of Pakistan's economy for half a century, no doubt.
 
Faisal Vawda is a fool, born and drop-kicked. The problem with Pakistan is that the information released is heavily manipulated, and some want to depend on it, while others try to find flaws in it. As you and I study this field, we approach it from completely different perspectives.

Oh so you found out my real name?!

@Meengla the secret is out. We need to stop pretending now.

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May Allah bless Khan always… and the hypocrites, the jealous, type Pakistanis an eternal hell,




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no one cared about poor the way he did, what an awesome pakistani
 

A king above all’: The rise and rise of Asim Munir, Pakistan’s increasingly powerful army chief​

Known as Trump’s ‘favourite field marshal’, Munir’s power now extends over all the armed forces, along with lifelong immunity from prosecution, thanks to a constitutional amendment

Hannah Ellis-Petersen in Delhi and Shah Meer Baloch in Islamabad
Wed 3 Dec 2025 02.26 GMT
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Since it was penned in 1973, Pakistan’s constitution has been dealt many blows. Originally a statement of democracy, it was just a matter of years before a pattern of endless constitutional amendments began, validating successive coups and military dictatorships.

Yet for the past 15 years, the constitution had – at least on the surface – returned Pakistan to some semblance of civilian rule. That was until last month.




As parliament rushed to pass the 27th amendment, critics and analysts widely decried it as a “constitutional coup” that would enshrine military dominance over Pakistan in perpetuity.

“There is no constitution in Pakistan now. No judiciary. No social contract. The amendment is an unforgivable crime against the country” said Mahmood Khan Achakzai, the chair of the opposition alliance known as Tehreek Tahafuz Ayeen-e-Pakistan. “They have made one man into a king above all.”


A man marching at a rally holds up a banner showing Asim Munir in military uniform
Pakistani parliament votes to give army chief new powers and legal immunity
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It was widely acknowledged that there was really just one beneficiary to the 27th amendment. General Asim Munir, Pakistan’s army chief, was already the most powerful man in the country. Now, however, he is set to become one of the most powerful generals in the country’s history, with privileges akin to those of past military dictators.

Munir will oversee not just the army but also the navy and air force. His five-year term will restart, and has the possibility to be extended again, raising the prospect of him remaining in his role for at least another decade – an unprecedented term. He has also been granted lifelong immunity from criminal prosecution.


The amendment has also been accused of being a direct attack on Pakistan’s already-beleaguered judiciary. A new constitutional court, where judges are picked by the government, will replace the supreme court. Several senior judges have resigned in protest, claiming that the only remaining check on executive and military power has been crushed.

“It’s military rule, martial law by any other name,” said Ayyaz Mallick, a lecturer in human geography, specialising in Pakistan, at the University of Liverpool. “During direct forms of military rule in Pakistan we saw exactly the same thing happen.”

The amendment also prompted criticism from UN high commissioner for human rights Volker Turk, who warned of “far-reaching consequences for the principles of democracy and rule of law”.

To many observers, this was Munir seizing his moment. After an election in 2024 that was marred by documented allegations of rigging and bias, Pakistan’s ruling coalition government is widely seen as weak, unpopular and illegitimate, solely dependent on the backing of Munir – what Mallick described as a “military ventilator” – to stay in power.

Meanwhile, Munir has been riding a wave of popularity after hostilities with neighbour and rival India broke out in May, which saw cross-border drone and missile strikes launched by both sides. After Pakistan claimed to have shot down several Indian jets, Munir claimed victory over India, prompting a wave of militaristic and jingoistic fervour to grip the country. The India clashes were nothing short of a “godsend” for Munir, said Mallick, with the army chief promoted to post of five-star general.

Shehbaz Sharif and Asim Munir meet with Donald Trump at the White House.
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Shehbaz Sharif and Asim Munir meet with Donald Trump at the White House. Photograph: X/Government of Pakistan
Munir began to position himself as something of a global statesman. After Pakistan nominated Donald Trump for the Nobel peace prize for his supposed role in bringing India and Pakistan back from the brink of war, Munir had an unprecedented two meetings with the US president in Washington.


For Pakistan, which has been shut out by the White House for a decade, Munir’s perceived success in bringing the country in from the cold – even earning the title of Trump’s “favourite field marshal” – elevated his position further. Munir was also at the forefront as Pakistan signed a significant defence pact with Saudi Arabia in September.

To many, the level of power that now rests in Munir’s hands was revealed by the speed at which the 27th constitutional amendment was approved. While previous amendments were discussed, revised and debated on for weeks by parliament, it took just a couple of hours for it to sail through both the senate and then the lower house with the necessary two-thirds majority, with only minor tweaks.

“What we have now is a political government whose legitimacy is so fragile that without the military’s backing, it would basically be nowhere,” said Farzana Shaikh, associate Fellow of the Asia-Pacific programme at Chatham House. “And Munir has seized this opportunity.”

While Shaikh emphasised that Pakistan’s history was one of political parties enabling the military for their own short-term political gain, she added, “it’s still extraordinary seeing two parties cave in the manner they have.”


The consequences, she added, were grave. “There’s no question that it is a significant – I would say the most significant – setback to any kind of transition towards an accountable government, let alone democracy,” said Shaikh. “This constitutional amendment allows Munir to act with complete impunity. It’s an extremely dangerous situation.”

Concerns have also been raised within the army at Munir’s newfound concentration of power over all three branches of the military, in particular its consequences for his authority over Pakistan’s nuclear arsenal.

Some raised concerns that Munir – whose reputation is one of a “reckless operator” and an ideologue, especially when it comes to his hardline approach to India – would now have unparalleled control over nuclear command.

One retired senior general, who spoke anonymously for fear of retribution, called the amendment “disastrous” and said resentment “has already begun among other forces, in the navy and air force. The proposed amendment does not benefit the defence structure; rather it benefits just one individual”.

Streamlining the nuclear command under singular army control – effectively removing all civilian government oversight – was also “deeply problematic”, he added.


Defence minister Khawaja Asif, among those who voted in favour of the amendment, refuted the criticism. “Pakistan’s armed forces are part of the state and if they do good work, we support them and stand by them,” he said. “Parliament bestowed immunity upon Field Marshall Munir because he won the war against India for the country. Saying he is all-powerful is just speculation.”

To some, the amendment simply codified a longstanding arrangement, that of the military de facto running the country and manoeuvring politics. Since he became army chief, it was Munir who was seen to have engineered the crackdown against popular former prime minister Imran Khanand his Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) party. Khan and senior PTI leaders are all now behind bars, after they challenged military interference in Pakistani politics. Two serving cabinet ministers, finance and interior, are both recognised as Munir appointments.

Yet, as Walter Ladwig, senior associate professor in International Relations at King’s College London, emphasised, “the long-term implications of this are profound”.

“If there were ever an effort to try to reverse or rebalance power away from the military and back under civilian control, undoing this amendment will be significant feat,” he said. “Munir is now harder to remove than the prime minister or the president or any army chief who came before him.”


Nonetheless, analysts pointed out that Munir’s newfound power also came with challenges. Pakistan is grappling with two domestic terrorist insurgencies as well as hostilities with neighbours India and Afghanistan, and the country is also in the midst of a severe economic crisis that he has been unable to fix.

Munir was not the first Pakistan general to come up with a plan to retain power for years, Mallick noted; the country’s last military dictator Pervez Musharraf had one that spanned decades, before widespread dissatisfaction toppled him. “As history also shows, these long-term plans by generals never really work in Pakistan,” he said. “If money doesn’t flow in, the whole thing falls apart.”

An incredible self-own​

In 1936, John Scott, son of the late Guardian owner and legendary editor CP Scott, did something unheard of for a media heir: he gave up his stake for the greater good.

After inheriting the newspaper, Scott renounced all financial benefit – bar his salary – in the Guardian (worth £1m at the time and around £62m today) and passed ownership over to the newly formed Scott Trust. The Trust would evolve to have one key mission: to secure the financial and editorial independence of the Guardian in perpetuity.

That means the Guardian can’t be bought. Not by private equity, not by a conglomerate, and definitely not by a billionaire looking for a political mouthpiece.

Our independence means we can say what we want, report on who we want, challenge who we want, and stand up at a time when others are sitting down.

But this unique model also means we depend on readers like you from Pakistan to help fund our work. If you would rather the news you read was the result of decisions made by journalists and editors, not shareholders or ultra-wealthy tech bros, then, well, you know what to do:



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Like I said this was all about power grab and nothing else …

People who think it is about accountability etc are retards
 
Indian view … a bit surprising sober and intelligent

, "pakistan army power grab"


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