Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

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The grim reality is that India and Pakistan are locked in a permanent conflict for the foreseeable future. Pakistanis should not be fooled by cricket, Bollywood, food festivals, social media friendly chat forums or decent "peaceful " good English speaking Indians on this forum. We are enemies forever.

There never has been peace, there is no peace now, and there never will be peace between India and Pakistan. This conflict can only end in mutual destruction. Unfortunately India believes differently, that the conflict will end only with the destruction of Pakistan, the occupation of its territory and the enslavement of Pakistani people. Pakistan is facing a savage, evil, determined enemy focused entirely on its destruction.

India believes it will win this war through any of the following strategies

• Wait out a military standoff with Pakistan without engaging fully, impose an arms race, and force Pakistan's political and economic collapse. This was NATO's strategy towards the Soviet Union and Warsaw Pact and it seemed to work.
• Actively orchestrate ethnic nationalism in Sindh, Baluchistan, and KPK; fund, and arm internal rebellion, and terrorism in alliance with Afghanistan, and get Pakistan involved in a civil war before intervening militarily. The object is to reduce Pakistan to a Punjab only rump state which will then be brought under Sikh rule by offering it to Khalistan or Sikh ruled Indian Punjab. This strategy worked in East Pakistan ( now Bangladesh).
• Plan and execute a massive air, land and sea assault on Pakistan overwhelming its armed forces, destroying its infrastructure, and reducing all of Pakistan to Gaza like situation , India no longer sees Pakistan's nuclear weapons as a threat because any means that Pakistan has to deliver these weapons have been rendered useless. This strategy was done in the case of the invasion of Iraq by NATO.

We can discuss later why all those scenarios above are unrealistic and bound to fail in the case of Pakistan . What is tragic is that India believes that all or anyone of these scenarios is plausible and feasible. Destruction and death happen only when an enemy misjudges it's adversary and it's own capabilities.

Excellent summary, however, I'd add here that India now has also found a separatist fault line based on Political divide in our country. It's unfortunate to read comments on this forum, and other SMs, where "armed rebellion" against the "state usurpers" is increasingly becoming a common sight.

The irony is that, a number of the supporters of this armed rebellion are also supporters of peace talk with TTP - which makes me question why can't similar peace talks be held with political parties and military?

 

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Can someone please explain to me what the field marshal did during sindhoor that was so amazing ? Honestly this is not rhetorical but genuinely I want learn. I can see air Chief in the COC giving directions that led to 7 Iaf planes shot that is clear. What was asim munir’s role during Sindoor? What did he do to defeat India ? Or in other words what specific things army did ? I need to see facts please not opinions. Everyone keeps saying that he saved Pakistan during Sindoor so just want to understand this point. Has anything been written on PA accomplishments during Sindhoor ? By now facts should be coming out . How many SJs for PA?

 

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Can someone please explain to me what the field marshal did during sindhoor that was so amazing ? Honestly this is not rhetorical but genuinely I want learn. I can see air Chief in the COC giving directions that led to 7 Iaf planes shot that is clear. What was asim munir’s role during Sindoor? What did he do to defeat India ? Or in other words what specific things army did ? I need to see facts please not opinions. Everyone keeps saying that he saved Pakistan during Sindoor so just want to understand this point. Has anything been written on PA accomplishments during Sindhoor ? By now facts should be coming out . How many SJs for PA?

Did you not watch the collective briefing on May 10? All damages done to India as claimed by Pakistan were explained in that, including the damages done by PA in IOJK - those are the official claims. Both PA and PAF did considerable damage to India - if you are already convinced about the evidence for damage done by PAF (crash debris of IAF aircraft), then same class of evidence was provided for the damage done by PA (IA Bde HQs lit on fire)

The role FM played in all this was not officially briefed, so anything anyone will say will not fulfil your need for "evidence"

As for SJ, there are none awarded because IA didn't launch a land offensive at us that PA defended gallantly. The military decorations are case dependent, and SJ can't be awarded when an attempted "triumph against odds" was never in play.

 

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Did you not watch the collective briefing on May 10? All damages done to India as claimed by Pakistan were explained in that, including the damages done by PA in IOJK - those are the official claims. Both PA and PAF did considerable damage to India - if you are already convinced about the evidence for damage done by PAF (crash debris of IAF aircraft), then same class of evidence was provided for the damage done by PA (IA Bde HQs lit on fire)

The role FM played in all this was not officially briefed, so anything anyone will say will not fulfil your need for "evidence"

As for SJ, there are none awarded because IA didn't launch a land offensive at us that PA defended gallantly. The military decorations are case dependent, and SJ can't be awarded when an attempted "triumph against odds" was never in play.

I did see the briefings but did not see any evidence of any damage caused by PA. There was one satellite image of partial damage of iaf air base in udhampur that the Paf guy shared which I assume was done by fateh missiles that are run by PA. The fact that you cannot share anything here says a lot. Again what was done to deserve a field marshal. Eg Montgomery led the battle of El Amanein that led to the defeat of Germany and surrender of thousands of Germans and this was a turning point in WW2. So again what did he do to achieve the rank if FM?

 

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I did see the briefings but did not see any evidence of any damage caused by PA. There was one satellite image of partial damage of iaf air base in udhampur that the Paf guy shared which I assume was done by fateh missiles that are run by PA. The fact that you cannot share anything here says a lot. Again what was done to deserve a field marshal. Eg Montgomery led the battle of El Amanein that led to the defeat of Germany and surrender of thousands of Germans and this was a turning point in WW2. So again what did he do to achieve the rank if FM?

Not only has the Pakistan army did nothing of substance, they kneecapped the strong response by Pakistan Air Force by not responding for two days and tying PAF hands in the back, while India was firing loitering munitions into Pakistan even as the IAF was grounded to submission by PAF.

The army generals were busy on the phone feeling big and relevant talking to Gulf & American diplomats about ceasefire while India was planning a massive escalation. An escalation that led to the missile strikes on all the major PAF airbases and which allowed India to save some face.

In a normal country, Mr Asim Munir’s conduct will be scrutinized and dealt with accordingly but Pakistan is a banana republic and so he gave himself a promotion.

 

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Did you not watch the collective briefing on May 10? All damages done to India as claimed by Pakistan were explained in that, including the damages done by PA in IOJK - those are the official claims. Both PA and PAF did considerable damage to India - if you are already convinced about the evidence for damage done by PAF (crash debris of IAF aircraft), then same class of evidence was provided for the damage done by PA (IA Bde HQs lit on fire)

The role FM played in all this was not officially briefed, so anything anyone will say will not fulfil your need for "evidence"

As for SJ, there are none awarded because IA didn't launch a land offensive at us that PA defended gallantly. The military decorations are case dependent, and SJ can't be awarded when an attempted "triumph against odds" was never in play.

India did launch missiles and wasn’t PA responsible along with PAF to intercept them? Looks like they failed on that front given damage in sargodha, bholari ans chaklala. Again I am trying to understand what he did to warrant a field marshal

 

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Can someone please explain to me what the field marshal did during sindhoor that was so amazing ? Honestly this is not rhetorical but genuinely I want learn. I can see air Chief in the COC giving directions that led to 7 Iaf planes shot that is clear. What was asim munir’s role during Sindoor? What did he do to defeat India ? Or in other words what specific things army did ? I need to see facts please not opinions. Everyone keeps saying that he saved Pakistan during Sindoor so just want to understand this point. Has anything been written on PA accomplishments during Sindhoor ? By now facts should be coming out . How many SJs for PA?

I did see the briefings but did not see any evidence of any damage caused by PA. There was one satellite image of partial damage of iaf air base in udhampur that the Paf guy shared which I assume was done by fateh missiles that are run by PA. The fact that you cannot share anything here says a lot. Again what was done to deserve a field marshal. Eg Montgomery led the battle of El Amanein that led to the defeat of Germany and surrender of thousands of Germans and this was a turning point in WW2. So again what did he do to achieve the rank if FM?

Oh good Lord, give it a rest.

You've been going on for months now.

We know you're a Military Brat.

We know your old man was stationed at PAF Base Mushaf back in the day.

We know that you don't like Field Marshal Asim Munir.

We know you're a PTI-Fanboy.

 

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Not only has the Pakistan army did nothing of substance, they kneecapped the strong response by Pakistan Air Force by not responding for two days and tying PAF hands in the back, while India was firing loitering munitions into Pakistan even as the IAF was grounded to submission by PAF.

The army generals were busy on the phone feeling big and relevant talking to Gulf & American diplomats about ceasefire while India was planning a massive escalation. An escalation that led to the missile strikes on all the major PAF airbases and which allowed India to save some face.

In a normal country, Mr Asim Munir’s conduct will be scrutinized and dealt with accordingly but Pakistan is a banana republic and so he gave himself a promotion.

Look I don’t want to blame army generals as I know they are professional and one can argue that they did their job as India did not dare launch a land invasion so I think it is unfair to say that they were on the phone wasting their time. I am just trying to understand why Asim Munir got a field marshal?

 

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Oh good Lord, give it a rest.

You've been going on for months now.

We know you're a Military Brat.

We know your old man was stationed at PAF Base Mushaf back in the day.

We know that you don't like Field Marshal Asim Munir.

We know you're a PTI-Fanboy.

Just what I thought …no substance just childish reaction. I keep hearing that asim munir saved Pakistan? If anything ACM should have received the 5 stars not munir . History will not be kind to him and the people who promoted him. It is embarrassing …we come across as a tinpot banana republic when shit like this happens and people like you support it rather than call it for what it is. I am no PTI guy. Just don’t respond well to tinpot like behavior of the 70s. Pakistan deserves better

 

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I keep hearing that asim munir saved Pakistan?

no one said that .

 

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Look I don’t want to blame army generals as I know they are professional and one can argue that they did their job as India did not dare launch a land invasion so I think it is unfair to say that they were on the phone wasting their time. I am just trying to understand why Asim Munir got a field marshal?

India was never going to launch a ground invasion due to the massive cost to them. They have intentionally gone with air strikes, which failed in 2019 and 2025 and which led to global embarrassment with their planes being shot down and PAF imposing no fly zones on the border regions (per admission of the Indian military chief in his interview to Bloomberg in Singapore).

In the future, India might settle for missile strikes which proved effective. Pakistan army’s decisions not to use advanced missile like Babur, Ra’ad and others in fact shows Pakistan army’s cowardice because they were very bothered to not send the wrong signals to India and for India to not mistake them for a nuclear strike. India on the other hand launched all its standoff missiles into Pakistan to a devastating effect.

Instead, they went for rocket strikes which were dealt with by India very effectively.

 

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cowardice

cowardice or just sensible , i think rocket force was created to amend this

 

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I did see the briefings but did not see any evidence of any damage caused by PA. There was one satellite image of partial damage of iaf air base in udhampur that the Paf guy shared which I assume was done by fateh missiles that are run by PA. The fact that you cannot share anything here says a lot.

Ahan, and the white flags raised by IA across LOC and the destruction of their Bde HQs was because Jibraeel (AS) rained fireballs on them? Right?

Again what was done to deserve a field marshal. Eg Montgomery led the battle of El Amanein that led to the defeat of Germany and surrender of thousands of Germans and this was a turning point in WW2. So again what did he do to achieve the rank if FM?

This is a separate point of discussion. We all know this is a power grab but using this as a premise to downplay damage caused by PA is a strawman.

 

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India was never going to launch a ground invasion due to the massive cost to them. They have intentionally gone with air strikes, which failed in 2019 and 2025 and which led to global embarrassment with their planes being shot down and PAF imposing no fly zones on the border regions (per admission of the Indian military chief in his interview to Bloomberg in Singapore).

In the future, India might settle for missile strikes which proved effective. Pakistan army’s decisions not to use advanced missile like Babur, Ra’ad and others in fact shows Pakistan army’s cowardice because they were very bothered to not send the wrong signals to India and for India to not mistake them for a nuclear strike. India on the other hand launched all its standoff missiles into Pakistan to a devastating effect.

Instead, they went for rocket strikes which were dealt with by India very effectively.

Agreed but trust me, if India thought they can take territory they will launch a land invasion so in that sense I think our PA units in the border did a good job. So let’s be fair on PA. Just want to know why field marshal rank was given? What is the justification?

 

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Not only has the Pakistan army did nothing of substance, they kneecapped the strong response by Pakistan Air Force by not responding for two days and tying PAF hands in the back, while India was firing loitering munitions into Pakistan even as the IAF was grounded to submission by PAF.

The army generals were busy on the phone feeling big and relevant talking to Gulf & American diplomats about ceasefire while India was planning a massive escalation. An escalation that led to the missile strikes on all the major PAF airbases and which allowed India to save some face.

In a normal country, Mr Asim Munir’s conduct will be scrutinized and dealt with accordingly but Pakistan is a banana republic and so he gave himself a promotion.

If I were to argue against this position you would certainly ask me for "evidence" right?

So can you please save me the embarrassment and provide your "evidence" for the claim to begin with so I don't even think about refuting this.