PTI News, Updates and Discussion

[PakAl]

ہاں جی
But you did not enlightened us. Which ISI, or under which DG?

• Shuja Pasha October 1, 2008–March 18, 2012
• Zaheerul Islam March 19, 2012–November 7, 2014
• Rizwan Akhtar November 7, 2014–December 11, 2016 (exited on personal reasons or fired!)
• Naveed Mukhtar December 11, 2016–October 25, 2018
• Asim Munir October 25, 2018–June 16, 2019 fired by IK on Sahiwal killings
• Faiz Hameed June 17, 2019–November 19, 2021
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I mentioned this before. During General Mushraff time he mentioned Pakistan is governed by PPP and Pmln in turn, and he said we need a 3rd way, to challenge these 2 corrupt parties, he later on formed his own party but it flopped but behind the scenes some powerful people were lobbying Imran Khan and Dr Tahir ul Qadri to start movements against Pmln and PPP, slowly over the decade PPP and Pmln lost alot of power and PTI took over. Then PTI and generals had big disagreements which led to the current situation. Now everything is being reversed. .

The powerful people wanted reforms in Pakistan, to make a change to cater for the next generation. It was the need of the time, we didnt want Arab style revolutions happening in Pakistan but everything fell down to the ground, now we are back to 1990s.

 

[Abdul q]

Incidents and fatalities of terrorism had already decreased sharply post Operation Zarb-e-Azb in 2014:

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In 2017, 1 year before IK's reign as PM, Pakistan had much lower casualties from terrorism from the prior years as well.

In fact, in 2020 and 2021, number of incidents and casualties from terrorism started rising from 2018, showing his strategy of reconciling with the TTP were not working.

Exclusive: Pakistan, Tehrik-e Taliban Hold Secret Talks Over Cease-Fire

The Pakistani Taliban has intensified its insurgency against Islamabad in recent months. But sources say the two sides have been holding secret talks over a cease-fire.

www.rferl.org

You can also say in other words, military establishment knew that it was over for them to continue their war machine on people and so they started retreating?

 

[Abdul q]

Remember, lots of great leaders killed and died in jail but never compromise on there principle. All he wanted rule of Law in this country and independent policy. Now we are getting what we deserve in the shape of Munir-PPP-PMLN regime.

Mind boggling to see people defending the current regime unless they’re paid actors, have relatives in current regime or living inside one of the state within a state…

 

[Olympus81]

DG ISPR has done an own goal here.

We are not involved in politics, we dont rig elections, we are the saviors of the nation, we are the institution holding Pakistan together, we have not imprisoned political leaders, bla bla.

Then just hold elections? Or exile IK? He is irrelevant right?

Might as well not held this press conference, shutup and go on with your ways.

Seriously. Never a dull moment.

 

[unconventional]

Remember, lots of great leaders killed and died in jail but never compromise on there principle. All he wanted rule of Law in this country and independent policy. Now we are getting what we deserve in the shape of Munir-PPP-PMLN regime.

He was not fit to be the PM of the country, and under him, Pakistan's relations with other countries (even allies) deteriorated significantly.

 

[Distant_Observer]

Incidents and fatalities of terrorism had already decreased sharply post Operation Zarb-e-Azb in 2014:

View attachment 163787

In 2017, 1 year before IK's reign as PM, Pakistan had much lower casualties from terrorism from the prior years as well.

In fact, in 2020 and 2021, number of incidents and casualties from terrorism started rising from 2018, showing his strategy of reconciling with the TTP were not working.

Exclusive: Pakistan, Tehrik-e Taliban Hold Secret Talks Over Cease-Fire

The Pakistani Taliban has intensified its insurgency against Islamabad in recent months. But sources say the two sides have been holding secret talks over a cease-fire.

www.rferl.org

He negotiated a temporary ceasefire without anything in writing and even allowed their fighters to relocate to Pakistan.

They regrouped for a year and started attacking again.

His reaction was to talk it out again. In fact he tried to ignore it, didn't even bother attending NSC meetings. He undid 10 years of hard work.

Either he is incompetent or complicit and I think it is the latter.

If you look at his trackrecord. He protested against US drone strikes on taliban and ttp. He provided political and diplomatic support to them.

Who knows which compromised generals were also involved that have since been purged.

PTI started around the same time as taliban took control of Afghanistan.

This book was released in 1993 hinting at his turning from playboy to closeted ethnofascist. This was around the same time AQ and OBL were at the height of their influence.



It is the fault of the establishment to be this compromised and allowing someone of this character to reach this level of influence and the opportunity to run the country.

It's a mistake that should never be repeated again. I thought they had learned from the ZAB experience.

 

[unconventional]

You can also say in other words, military establishment knew that it was over for them to continue their war machine on people and so they started retreating?

Pakistan as a nation, and the Pakistani military does not desire war with Afghanistan, and has never desired it. It is only responding to terrorism from Afghanistan inside Pakistan. Pakistan could have closed the border with landlocked Afghanistan, which was their lifeline, but they didn't over the years; despite suffering terrorism from Afghanistan over the years.

 

[Abdul q]

DG ISPR has done an own goal here.

We are not involved in politics, we dont rig elections, we are the saviors of the nation, we are the institution holding Pakistan together, we have not imprisoned political leaders, bla bla.

Might as well not held this press conference, shutup and go on with your ways.

Seriously. Never a dull moment.

If we combine 3 of his recent press conferences you can clearly see how off he is from reality…. It seems certain as some foreign mercenary is talking to people under occupation telling them to stfu….. what good part had come out of this alcohol stinking mouth which would help Pakistan in any way?

 

[PakAl]

Only talks and better border security required on Pak Afghan border. We been fighting WOT in KPK for the last 35 years, outcome is zero.
Today, DGISPR again threat to Imran Khan bare knuckle/metal response, which is already going on.

Majority of KPK and Tribal people love Pakistan, only a few fighter tribes are anti Pakistan due to many reasons, they also have connections in Afghanistan via relationships. The question is what can Pakistan do, the best way is to win local people over, bring development, education etc and get rid of this menace of ideology. Our rulers fail to do this and then complain. Today its not in our interest to target KPK or Balochi people, even Afghanistan people, we need to win heart and minds. Ofcourse the militants who attack us must be eliminated but hatred against common people is a big blunder.

 

[Abdul q]

He was not fit to be the PM of the country, and under him, Pakistan's relations with other countries (even allies) deteriorated significantly.

Yep… rightly said….. countries who demanded a base to strike our people were angry….. also those who knew that they can’t control Imran khan…. CPEC audit which is a v basic principle for any successful project in saving costs, reliability and increasing potential if demanding that was wrong than rightfully Chinese can hate us…

 

[unconventional]

Both countries mutually recognized each other in 1948.

I don't think you read my post, or understood it.

 

[Night Memory]

He was not fit to be the PM of the country, and under him, Pakistan's relations with other countries (even allies) deteriorated significantly.

Absolutely correct, under him Pakistan’s foreign policy was an absolute disaster. He was the same guy that was begging for Biden to make a single phone call to him. The same guy who ruined relationships with Saudi Arabia. Was extremely deluded that he wanted to create a separate islamic bloc with Turkey and Malayasia. What an absolute idiot and jahil Khan is when it comes to running the country is for anyone to see.

Btw he also strangled CPEC, and literally appointed pizza general as its head. So much for being anti army? Kiss my ass. Im so miffed at the absolute revisionism that these youthiyas conduct. If today Asim Munir makes khan the PM, he will be the best COAS in the history of Pakistan.

 

[PakAl]

This is not the topic, advise you read the history of these terror group. We used TTP and Afghan Taliban to topple Ghani govt. When US raid intensifies these Afghan Taliban used to take refuge in TTP protected sanctuaries along Pak-Afghan border. Now where should we look ? . You feed the dog , now you are trying to kill the dog , which is now Bull dog.
US govt knows very well, our Generals played the role for US ejection from Afghanistan and they are extremely upset and soon they will come after this betrayal....sooner or later.
They lost listen post against , Iran, China and Russia.

I wouldn't be surprised if their agencies are funding and guiding TTP but we would never mention this ofcourse. No doubt the Americans/British never forgive and forget. They play big games. Pakistan on the other hand till today has failed to start a counter ideology movement against the TTP type of ideologies. In tribal areas some lashkars, tribal heads, anti ttp militias exist but we fail to utilise them for some odd reason. Like during Tirah Valley fighting, people aligned with the army but we're later on abandoned, they were then slaughtered by TTP and Lashkar Islami, its possible today they don't trust army anymore.

 

[Watandar]

Read the last lines, ladies and gentlemen. And i am reported for use the word “Afghandu” when this word was used by multiple users on the khbyer storm thread. Its shocking that now on this forum, Pakistan and its borders are abused day and night and we are told to shut up.

Durand line is a reality, suck it up. If you think Pakistan is a British creation then go back to whichever country you consider authentic. Go to Afghanistan, we know where your loyalties lie.

Thats why i will never support PTI because its always exploited by these etho nationalist swines. Screw them and screw anyone who supports this disgusting narrative. Cry and whine, and scream and Taliban Khan will stay in jail as he should. We will also kick all the afghandus from our land, just enjoy the show. I know you can only crib on the internet.

Pakistan and India are a British creation. Why do refuse to accept this fact ? Does it hurt your ego ? There would be no Pakistan today if the British had not agreed to leave their British India colony and divide it into Republic of India and Republic of Pakistan. The British did this partially due to Congress and Muslim League demands, and mostly because of their exhaustion and bankruptcy from WW2. Clement Attlee was also a farsighted leader who wanted to replace Empire with a Welfare state in the UK during his term. This was why the British left in such a hurry from the subcontinent.

its not my fault that you are ignorant of history and only know propaganda fed to you. Your foul language is an indicator of your ignorance.

 

[Olympus81]

He negotiated a temporary ceasefire without anything in writing and even allowed their fighters to relocate to Pakistan.

They regrouped for a year and started attacking again.

His reaction was to talk it out again. In fact he tried to ignore it, didn't even bother attending NSC meetings. He undid 10 years of hard work.

Either he is incompetent or complicit and I think it is the latter.

If you look at his trackrecord. He protested against US drone strikes on taliban and ttp. He provided political and diplomatic support to them.

Who knows which compromised generals were also involved that have since been purged.

It is the fault of the establishment to be this compromised allowed someone of this character to reach this level of influence and the opportunity to run the country.

It's a mistake that should never be repeated again. I thought they had learned from the ZAB experience.

Your argument would have hold weight if during martial laws Pakistan was doing better.

Ayub, Yahya’s role culminated into Bangladesh. Zia gave us a factory of obscurantist extremist en masse which Pakistan is reeling the impacts of. And his pet project of creating the Sharifs is another prize which keeps on giving. Mariyam and Hamza are next.

And Musharraf gave us $s for drone strikes culminating in extra judicial killings of Pakistanis through which a score of generals could finance their villas in Florida and Texas.

You then had Bajwa, deceitly going against Pakistan’s policy of making mends with Russia. His and Faiz clandestine meetings with Haqqani. The infamous meetings with Shahbaz Sharif when he used to arrive in a trunk of a car. Exonerating Sharifs of their crimes facilitating their exit and then exonerating Shahbaz when he was days away from being jailed.

Establishment fit to rule? Not very confident, sir.