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[HAIDER]

HIs major mistake was marrying Melisandre.
A few years ago when the Imran Bandwagon and container(2014ish) - I had a coffee discussion with a known business personality(whom you can also see running out of the PC Peshawar lobby in CCTV video when the bomb exploded there - odd connection I have to that story as well).

So while my views on IK then could potentially still be searched via time machine, there was the surge of middle class with him so I mentioned this to him and his rather brash way said something to the effect that he is a good man but lost to the "chalice" and then implied he would easily be honey trapped by anyone.

Miscalculations happen, but when you are susceptible to the oldest weapon in human history then you cannot be expected to make any principled decisions.

Now, is the current FM susceptible or not, SS or not etc. I have no way to say or not say otherwise. Considering the track records of Yahya, Niazi and others in uniform it is rather likely than not.

The biggest issue here is people believing in infallible messiahs, and relying on the allure of single personalities who in turn are gullible enough to rely on the wrong people because they start believing their sycophants. In that way IK is no different to the FM - both were/are under the impression that they will last forever and have paid(could pay) the price for it.

Watch the interview,Imran Khan was aware of the secret Bajwa–Shahbaz meetings back in 2018. Unfortunately, this reflects a deeper issue within the Punjabi establishment: they seem more at ease with uneducated Gawalmandi citizens than with independent thinkers. In GHQ’s think tanks, there is little to no room for genuine intellectual freedom

Shehbaz claims he declined Bajwa's offer to become PM in 2018​

PM Shehbaz says he would sacrifice premiership '10 times' if someone believes he can go against his brother Nawaz

Declined Bajwa's offer to become PM in 2018: Shehbaz | The Express Tribune

PM Shehbaz says he would sacrifice premiership '10 times' if someone believes he can go against his brother Nawaz Sharif

tribune.com.pk

 

[PakSword]

Uss aurat ne - ya agar kehna hi hai - tu uski jinsi khwahishat ne aur ana ne usko aur saath Pakistan mein parhe likhe logon ko dubo diya.

Yaar aisa na bolain.. even I am not convinced of his choice, but aurat zaat hai, siasat main bhi abhi tak nahi dikhi... chup chaap jail kaat rahi hai... uss ke period poori duniya main discuss huay jis ki shayad hi koi tasweer available ho..

I think hamain itna nahi girna chahiey.. Jo cheezain saamnay hain unn pe baat karni chahiey.. Allah knows best..

 

[PakAl]

I had a major problem when he married that lady.. and when he almost prostrated at a Dargah.. I don't know uss ki niyaat kia thi, only Allah knows, but the visuals were very disturbing..

But gone is gone.. uss ke baad jo kuchh bhi hua, woh nahi hona chahiey tha. 2023 ke elections main uss ki haar pakki thi... lekin thanda kar ke khanay ki hamain aadat hi nahi hai.

I think its all propaganda, his wife is a religious woman, Imran Khan should be man enough to not get influenced by her, regarding the sajda type of move, it's called kissing or touching the steps of a wali Allah. But yes today time of fitna it should be avoided. Its not really haram or shirk but gives out bad vibes. The same can be said regarding bowing down to world powers, Muslims only bow down to Allah almighty but these days petrodollars is what we all want.
Anyways i don't blame the wife, IK is a leader, he should have the mind to listen to all but make own decisions or else he is not fit to be PM of 255M nation.

 

[PakSword]

2. He was privately throwing out names like a quickfire round of name,place,animal, thing - because he was shook and off guard. He was not expecting his ouster to really happen and as he started to piece things together was also extremely disoriented.

He only blamed the US first.. He never revealed who that cypher was addressed to.. and we all know now who was the addressee. Anyway.. baat lambi hojaegi..

I think the first time he took the names of some officers when he was shot.. even then he called them dirty harry etc.. not the real names. And Asim Munir's name when he was unlawfully arrested from the high court.

 

[PakAl]

Plmn chief forced the general to make a statement indirectly against the IK in order to get his extension, this was agreed between the two parties and was the cause for delay of the notification.Other agreements have been signed between military and PMLN,PPP that they will not be pursued for corruption and the army will be used for their benefit.
Asim Munir will continue to terrorise PTI and have planned an invasion of Afghanistan on behalf of American wishes and to please their master USA.

Its not true bro. Today military have overtaken the whole state, they will get extention or even become Emperor if Asim Munir wants too. Pmln and PPP are playing along to survive or else they would be chopped to pieces aswell.

Regarding Afghanistan i am 50 50, not sure exactly what's happening. But war with Afghanistan will harm Pakistan greatly.

 

[PakAl]

He only blamed the US first.. He never revealed who that cypher was addressed to.. and we all know now who was the addressee. Anyway.. baat lambi hojaegi..

I think the first time he took the names of some officers when he was shot.. even then he called them dirty harry etc.. not the real names. And Asim Munir's name when he was unlawfully arrested from the high court.

He took name of dirty Harry after the first protests when rangers fired upon the protesters. It was right after his removal.

 

[Oscar]

MQM and BAP etc.. who doesn't know they don't act on their own? The basic modus operandi in Pakistan till 2022 was to form and dissolve governments from internal manipulation (within assemblies), or through courts. At least I have been following the politics since 1990, I have not seen otherwise.

I disagree - MQM and BAP act as any smaller organization does - heck take a look at Series B or Series C startups against larger entities. They cooperate under pressure but also find their own ways. I am personal witness to a particular exchange in MQM a decade or so ago - where their top leadership including FS and others were in office off Forum mall listening to AH giving a phone call post some maneuvers which were conducted after pressurizing from military and personal interests of these MQM leaders.

And on that call, AH starts his usual tears and says these people have betrayed me - and then the MQM blue shirts literally came and beat the shit out of FS and all these other guys - kicking them to the floor while I watched with the person I came with (both of us in utter poker faces looking for an exit). AH did his own negotiation from there and whatever objectives he had.

So, it is NOT the case you cite. But a case of survival in this game.
I cite this many times but if you want to guarantee the survival of your business - lets say on national highway - and protect it from the PPP enabled mafia - buy the "agency" a petrol station close to your business - total investment is yours with total ownership of the agency(and the officers of that time who will maintain their stake) .. and your safety is guaranteed. They will even provide you with retired commandos as personal guards and other former faujis for overall security. You can even get salutes like commandant when you enter your business.

 

[Oscar]

Watch the interview,Imran Khan was aware of the secret Bajwa–Shahbaz meetings back in 2018. Unfortunately, this reflects a deeper issue within the Punjabi establishment: they seem more at ease with uneducated Gawalmandi citizens than with independent thinkers. In GHQ’s think tanks, there is little to no room for genuine intellectual freedom

I dont think so - being aware of meetings on a particular subject doesn't mean you are able to anticipate your own power. IK's cornered tiger mentality doesn't work for every situation. There is a common saying in the business world, your startup CEO cannot be the one to really grow you , and that guy cannot be the one to take you public. You need individuals for every stage. IK works great at the scrappy startup stage(I will shut up with the business analogies after this) but beyond that he is out of his depth.

This goes without saying that the other players are also out of their depth where they are right now.

 

[PakSword]

5. Because remand could not be allowed. Lets say he went free for even a week and ended up in KP. You think anyone in their right mind would risk trying to arrest him from KP? It would be a civil war type revolt in the streets.

I think we should all appreciate that he never went to KP even when people were asking him to go there.. So no, I don't agree with this point as well. Apologies Oscar bhai.

 

[Oscar]

I think we should all appreciate that he never went to KP even when people were asking him to go there.. So no, I don't agree with this point as well. Apologies Oscar bhai.

Because he miscalculated. We may be appreciating it as some gesture but perhaps he was hoping to stay in Islamabad and gather a protest crowd and power there.

 

[PakSword]

3. This is key, because when the one in charge realized (ironically much like history of many ops in Pakistan) that their orders had been "superinterpreted" by those on the ground and it was going to point to them, they had to cull the trail.

Don't you think it's extremely far-fetched? I mean someone superinterpreting the order that could have killed a popular leader in Pakistan? Unbelievable.

 

[PakSword]

Because he miscalculated. We may be appreciating it as some gesture but perhaps he was hoping to stay in Islamabad and gather a protest crowd and power there.

Protesting is our constitutional right, right? By the way, even if he travelled to KP, no one would have resisted the arrest.. I am saying, where are all the real cases? Are we left with the behooda iddat type cases in Pakistan?

 

[PakAl]

Because he miscalculated. We may be appreciating it as some gesture but perhaps he was hoping to stay in Islamabad and gather a protest crowd and power there.

You think recent temperaments could lead to Imran Khan being sentenced to death, the cases are already built, like May 9th case, planning military coups, supporting TTP, not allowing military operations, the NCM etc.

He should have left Pakistan, if millions are not coming on the streets and his own freedom is under threat then why not, could have said they forced me lol.

 

[PakSword]

He took name of dirty Harry after the first protests when rangers fired upon the protesters. It was right after his removal.

ok my bad.. but then again.. who blinked first?
I know Pakistan is a banana republic, but I expected different than that.

I never believed that protesters can be killed in Pakistan in an organized fashion.. We saw 8-10 killings in model town in 2014.. how furious were we.. now killing 100s of protesters has become a norm.. It's considered culling of the cultists.

 

[PakSword]

You think recent temperaments could lead to Imran Khan being sentenced to death, the cases are already built, like May 9th case, planning military coups, supporting TTP, not allowing military operations, the NCM etc.

He should have left Pakistan, if millions are not coming on the streets and his own freedom is under threat then why not, could have said they forced me lol.

I think he will be hanged.. yes.

But a more important question is that how will the respect be restored? I don't see light at the end of the tunnel.