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[Meengla]

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Didn't he dissolve the assembly and called for elections??
That doesn't sound like a guy who couldn't digest loss of power
Are you missing something or am i missing something?

Once a No Confidence Motion is tabled in the National Assembly then it must be acted upon and no Early Elections could be called nor Assemblies could be dissolved until the NCM is voted upon. Those are the requirements of Parliamentary democracies.
And Imran had the time to call Early Elections going into 2022 but he was still working with Bajwa to try to coerce the alienated parties like MQM to start supporting him again.

 

[Meengla]

Bhai aap Pakistan main rehnay walay logon ka mazak ura rahay ho yeh keh ke ke Pakistan ki economy IK kharaab kardega..
Let me tell you something on oath.. My friend's Towel factory has closed its operations earlier this year because thousands of Hajis couldn't go on Hajj last year due to current government's na ehli and the Ihram his factory supplied couldn't be paid for..
Plus, there have been very less Umrah visitors from Pakistan now.. With that, 3 months back, he had to fire all the staff in his factory.. and now looking for work himself..
And he is not alone.. Aap Pakistan jaein tou aur zara industrial zones ka visit karain.. logon se poochain kia haal hai.. unn ke saamnay kehna ke economy main mazeed tabahi ki kasar bachi hai.

Mere Bhai: I don't doubt your story but you would probably find similar stories during the so-called 6% growth rate under PM Imran.
Who are you guys trying to fool here? If Imran was THAT popular then he could have used his Const. right to call the Early Elections by early 2022 but he didn't because he knew he would lose that.
OMG, the ignorance you guys show here!!! Go and read some archives of Dawn.com starting late summer 2021.

 

[PakSword]

Mere Bhai: I don't doubt your story but you would probably find similar stories during the so-called 6% growth rate under PM Imran.
Who are you guys trying to fool here? If Imran was THAT popular then he could have used his Const. right to call the Early Elections by early 2022 but he didn't because he knew he would lose that.
OMG, the ignorance you guys show here!!! Go and read some archives of Dawn.com starting late summer 2021.

Bhai aap ka koi share hai kia dawn.com main? Main kyun jaun bekar ke akhbar pe?

I only know a few facts.. my friend's factory was running well even till the end of 2023. Many industries are suffering the same fate. Aap ko nazar nahi aata tou main koi aankhain tou nahi desakta aap ko.

Go and check yourself.. ask common Pakistanis how they compare this government with the previous one. I am asking you because I have done that..

Baqi rahi baat 2023 ke elections ki, he would have certainly lost the elections.. but not by a big margin PMLN aur PPP ko mila ke simple majority hi milti.. but now if elections are not rigged, he will get 3/4th majority (if not more).. Remember, PMLN only won 17 seats in the last elections according to form 47. Aur PPP ko tou 17 bhi nahi miltin if they hadn't abducted the opponents in interior Sindh.

I don't know kis ehmaq ki jannay main rehtay ho aap log.. afsos bhi nahi hota abb tou.

 

[PakAl]

Yeh 2 kaam karday Asim Munir.. I will kiss his cheeks in Altaf bhai's way

He did call for more provinces but Sindhi nationalists will go crazy. Mushraff talked about building Kalabagh dam but didnt go through since locals and powerful people will not allow it to happen. The best way for establishment to tackle Pti narrative is to own it, create atleast 30 new provinces, each one with direct elected CM and Mayors to devolve power to grassroot level. What will they do about provincial assemblies, that's one big problem. Maybe its better to create 6 provinces in Sindh but all sit in provisional assembly, same with Punjab and others, they can even keep 4 provinces but only create 30 Admin provinces, this may keep nationalist quiet. For example Lahore is Lahore but divided in to La1 la2 la3 etc. Same can be done with provinces, each province needs to have a model hospital, police station, high court, university, medical college etc. It's not too much to ask.

All plans on creating a unitary state is not right, Pakistan is a federal type of government, each province has its own unique cultural, traditional identity, language. We must accept it and move on.

 

[PakAl]

His major mistake was to form the federal govt in 2018. The second mistake was to give extension to Bajwa, going against his own standards, third one was to dissolve Punjab and KP assemblies thinking that constitution is supreme..

Also when he made statements that when new provincial elections take place, Pti will win and then dissolve assemblies again until National assemblies are dissolved for new elections, he then kept calling for elections and said PDM is scared, but when elections happened then said mandate was stolen. Correct or not but he should have known they will manipulate everything, same with allowing electables in his party, he then said don't worry you vote for me and not these people, these same people then left Pti, over 200 MNAs MPAs left Pti.

Overall PTI was a hope for Pakistani awaam, they should have continued their campain against corruption etc but not cross the red line by attacking state institutions, whom then made a deal between each other and went after PTI together. We all lost out, now what are we supposed to do? Back to PDM songs lol.

 

[Oscar]

His major mistake was to form the federal govt in 2018. The second mistake was to give extension to Bajwa, going against his own standards, third one was to dissolve Punjab and KP assemblies thinking that constitution is supreme..

HIs major mistake was marrying Melisandre.
A few years ago when the Imran Bandwagon and container(2014ish) - I had a coffee discussion with a known business personality(whom you can also see running out of the PC Peshawar lobby in CCTV video when the bomb exploded there - odd connection I have to that story as well).

So while my views on IK then could potentially still be searched via time machine, there was the surge of middle class with him so I mentioned this to him and his rather brash way said something to the effect that he is a good man but lost to the "chalice" and then implied he would easily be honey trapped by anyone.

Miscalculations happen, but when you are susceptible to the oldest weapon in human history then you cannot be expected to make any principled decisions.

Now, is the current FM susceptible or not, SS or not etc. I have no way to say or not say otherwise. Considering the track records of Yahya, Niazi and others in uniform it is rather likely than not.

The biggest issue here is people believing in infallible messiahs, and relying on the allure of single personalities who in turn are gullible enough to rely on the wrong people because they start believing their sycophants. In that way IK is no different to the FM - both were/are under the impression that they will last forever and have paid(could pay) the price for it.

 

[PakSword]

Who are you guys trying to fool here? If Imran was THAT popular then he could have used his Const. right to call the Early Elections by early 2022 but he didn't because he knew he would lose that.
OMG, the ignorance you guys show here!!! Go and read some archives of Dawn.com starting late summer 2021.

Uncle aap ko main aik aur tareeqay se jawab deta hun kyun ke aap ki samajh daani thori kamzor hai..

1 - 2022 main jab woh popular nahi tha tou kyun aap logon ko maut pari thi govt. hatanay ki? 20 months main elections thay.. hojanay detay.. haar janay detay! Kia wajah thi saazish kar ke govt hatanay ki uncle? 2023 main elections kar ke mil baant kar khatay aap ke piplay aur nooni.. saath main diesel ko bhi thora roti tukkar dedetay.

2 - Jab IK ne kisi ka naam nahi lia tha and he was only protesting on the roads, uss ko goli maarnay ki kia zaroorat thi?

3 - Jab goli maar hi di thi, tou FIR kaatnay detay.. ya woh bhi cultists ki saazish thi chacha?

4 - Jab IK high court main paishi pe gaya tha, uss ko high court ka darwaza torr kar giraftar karnay ki kia zaroorat thi?

5 - Jab giraftar kar hi lia tha, tou iddat jaisay behooda ilzaam laganay ki kia zaroorat thi? Koi tagra corruption ka case kyun nahi mila chacha?

Pakistan ki awam itni bhi bongi nahi hai ke yeh sab dekhay aur aap sab chachon ki parties ko elections main tabah na karday..

IK zinda rahay na rahay.. piplon aur noonion ki siasat ko tabah kar gaya.. aur woh bhi aap jaisay babon ki wajah se jo in parties main bethay hain aur abb tak 90 ki dihai ki siasat kar rahay hain.

 

[Unknown987]

Plmn chief forced the general to make a statement indirectly against the IK in order to get his extension, this was agreed between the two parties and was the cause for delay of the notification.Other agreements have been signed between military and PMLN,PPP that they will not be pursued for corruption and the army will be used for their benefit.
Asim Munir will continue to terrorise PTI and have planned an invasion of Afghanistan on behalf of American wishes and to please their master USA.

 

[PakSword]

HIs major mistake was marrying Melisandre.
A few years ago when the Imran Bandwagon and container(2014ish) - I had a coffee discussion with a known business personality(whom you can also see running out of the PC Peshawar lobby in CCTV video when the bomb exploded there - odd connection I have to that story as well).

So while my views on IK then could potentially still be searched via time machine, there was the surge of middle class with him so I mentioned this to him and his rather brash way said something to the effect that he is a good man but lost to the "chalice" and then implied he would easily be honey trapped by anyone.

Miscalculations happen, but when you are susceptible to the oldest weapon in human history then you cannot be expected to make any principled decisions.

Now, is the current FM susceptible or not, SS or not etc. I have no way to say or not say otherwise. Considering the track records of Yahya, Niazi and others in uniform it is rather likely than not.

The biggest issue here is people believing in infallible messiahs, and relying on the allure of single personalities who in turn are gullible enough to rely on the wrong people because they start believing their sycophants. In that way IK is no different to the FM - both were/are under the impression that they will last forever and have paid(could pay) the price for it.

I had a major problem when he married that lady.. and when he almost prostrated at a Dargah.. I don't know uss ki niyaat kia thi, only Allah knows, but the visuals were very disturbing..

But gone is gone.. uss ke baad jo kuchh bhi hua, woh nahi hona chahiey tha. 2023 ke elections main uss ki haar pakki thi... lekin thanda kar ke khanay ki hamain aadat hi nahi hai.

 

[Oscar]

Uncle aap ko main aik aur tareeqay se jawab deta hun kyun ke aap ki samajh daani thori kamzor hai..

1 - 2022 main jab woh popular nahi tha tou kyun aap logon ko maut pari thi govt. hatanay ki? 20 months main elections thay.. hojanay detay.. haar janay detay! Kia wajah thi saazish kar ke govt hatanay ki uncle? 2023 main elections kar ke mil baant kar khatay aap ke piplay aur nooni.. saath main diesel ko bhi thora roti tukkar dedetay.

2 - Jab IK ne kisi ka naam nahi lia tha and he was only protesting on the roads, uss ko goli maarnay ki kia zaroorat thi?

3 - Jab goli maar hi di thi, tou FIR kaatnay detay.. ya woh bhi cultists ki saazish thi chacha?

4 - Jab IK high court main paishi pe gaya tha, uss ko high court ka darwaza torr kar giraftar karnay ki kia zaroorat thi?

5 - Jab giraftar kar hi lia tha, tou iddat jaisay behooda ilzaam laganay ki kia zaroorat thi? Koi tagra corruption ka case kyun nahi mila chacha?

Pakistan ki awam itni bhi bongi nahi hai ke yeh sab dekhay aur aap sab chachon ki parties ko elections main tabah na karday..

IK zinda rahay na rahay.. piplon aur noonion ki siasat ko tabah kar gaya.. aur woh bhi aap jaisay babon ki wajah se jo in parties main bethay hain aur abb tak 90 ki dihai ki siasat kar rahay hain.

This is also a mistake to assume total innocence or to assume it was all a collective situation.

1. IK was a popular leader, and those opposing him arent one "disciplined" team. You're assuming it was just those in uniform but there are also political elements from which there are lower elements who in their zeal can undertake such actions in cohesions with lower teams from the idaray while their superior end up with a face palm. To assume malice is the wrong approach when simple incompetence will suffice. THERE ARE INCOMPETENT PEOPLE ALL OVER - why assume some massive conspiracy??

2. He was privately throwing out names like a quickfire round of name,place,animal, thing - because he was shook and off guard. He was not expecting his ouster to really happen and as he started to piece things together was also extremely disoriented.

3. This is key, because when the one in charge realized (ironically much like history of many ops in Pakistan) that their orders had been "superinterpreted" by those on the ground and it was going to point to them, they had to cull the trail.

4. Because the judiciary had not been suppressed yet and there were actual IK support within the Judiciary because they also saw the illegality of the motion behind the scenes. We are assuming two parties - whereas in reality it was maybe 8-15 different aligned but individual groups of players involved.

5. Because remand could not be allowed. Lets say he went free for even a week and ended up in KP. You think anyone in their right mind would risk trying to arrest him from KP? It would be a civil war type revolt in the streets.

 

[PakSword]

Having said all of this.. koi bhi sakhs mukammal bura aur mukammal acha nahi hota..

Asim Munir agar provinces wala aur NFC award wala kaam karday, two major corrupt parties ki kamar toot jaeigi in shaa Allah. I am fully supporting him on his 28th amendment.

 

[Oscar]

I had a major problem when he married that lady.. and when he almost prostrated at a Dargah.. I don't know uss ki niyaat kia thi, only Allah knows, but the visuals were very disturbing..

But gone is gone.. uss ke baad jo kuchh bhi hua, woh nahi hona chahiey tha. 2023 ke elections main uss ki haar pakki thi... lekin thanda kar ke khanay ki hamain aadat hi nahi hai.

Uss aurat ne - ya agar kehna hi hai - tu uski jinsi khwahishat ne aur ana ne usko aur saath Pakistan mein parhe likhe logon ko dubo diya.

 

[PakAl]

Uncle aap ko main aik aur tareeqay se jawab deta hun kyun ke aap ki samajh daani thori kamzor hai..

1 - 2022 main jab woh popular nahi tha tou kyun aap logon ko maut pari thi govt. hatanay ki? 20 months main elections thay.. hojanay detay.. haar janay detay! Kia wajah thi saazish kar ke govt hatanay ki uncle? 2023 main elections kar ke mil baant kar khatay aap ke piplay aur nooni.. saath main diesel ko bhi thora roti tukkar dedetay.

2 - Jab IK ne kisi ka naam nahi lia tha and he was only protesting on the roads, uss ko goli maarnay ki kia zaroorat thi?

3 - Jab goli maar hi di thi, tou FIR kaatnay detay.. ya woh bhi cultists ki saazish thi chacha?

4 - Jab IK high court main paishi pe gaya tha, uss ko high court ka darwaza torr kar giraftar karnay ki kia zaroorat thi?

5 - Jab giraftar kar hi lia tha, tou iddat jaisay behooda ilzaam laganay ki kia zaroorat thi? Koi tagra corruption ka case kyun nahi mila chacha?

Pakistan ki awam itni bhi bongi nahi hai ke yeh sab dekhay aur aap sab chachon ki parties ko elections main tabah na karday..

IK zinda rahay na rahay.. piplon aur noonion ki siasat ko tabah kar gaya.. aur woh bhi aap jaisay babon ki wajah se jo in parties main bethay hain aur abb tak 90 ki dihai ki siasat kar rahay hain.

Good points. PDM wanted revenge from IK and I think they pressurised Bajwa to back off and allow NCM. Pakistan is full of ego players and they make emotional charge decisions. Regarding brutal state action against protesters, I honestly didn't see any reason for it, why from supporting, allowing and encouraging protests, darnas and long marches they suddenly took 180 turn. The arrest was another typical Pakistani security action, it reminded me on how Chief Justice Iftikhar Ch was manhandled, Mushraff had to come on TV and say even he didnt know why the police had to treat him like that. Mushraff then announced emergency but regretted it and removed it, another blunder. Today the security forces are more brutal, for no serious reasons, instead people are oppressed even more and turning against them. Its hard to explain the actions of the rulers.

 

[Respect4Respect]

Forget those cases. Imran should have been tried for throwing out the No Confidence Motion and then illegally dissolving the Assemblies. Give me examples of 'democrats' in Parliamentary democracies where the Prime Minister takes such actions? He violated the Const. of Pakistan and that was enough to disqualify him and put him and his President Alvi behind the bars.
Pakistani Establishment was either too lenient or too stupid to have missed a perfect legal case against Imran and his minions in April 2022 and let the crooks propagate their 'narrative' for a year to build their support base.

Why forget those cases? They are fabricated cases designed to illegally keep him locked up. In a real democracy the people who created those false cases should be behind bars instead of him. The vote of no confidence was engineered by the Establishment and what IK did to counter it was political maneuvering. I found some examples for you below.

The first example is Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper who suspended Parliament with the help of the Governor General to avoid a vote of no confidence. It was treated as a political crisis but he was not jailed for it.

The second example is Australian Prime Minister Gough Whitlam who was dismissed by the Governor General after a budget deadlock triggering a constitutional crisis. That situation was also resolved politically and PM was not prosecuted or jailed.

The third example is from Sri Lanka where the President Maitripala Sirisena dissolved Parliament to save the Prime Minister from a no confidence vote. The Supreme Court later ruled the move unconstitutional and restored Parliament and nobody was sent to prison for it.

So the only reason you want IK behind bars is because of personal bias. Otherwise these examples clearly show that constitutional crises occur around the world and are resolved politically often with institutions like the Supreme Court stepping in to settle the matter.

 

[PakSword]

1. IK was a popular leader, and those opposing him arent one "disciplined" team. You're assuming it was just those in uniform but there are also political elements from which there are lower elements who in their zeal can undertake such actions in cohesions with lower teams from the idaray while their superior end up with a face palm. To assume malice is the wrong approach when simple incompetence will suffice. THERE ARE INCOMPETENT PEOPLE ALL OVER - why assume some massive conspiracy??

MQM and BAP etc.. who doesn't know they don't act on their own? The basic modus operandi in Pakistan till 2022 was to form and dissolve governments from internal manipulation (within assemblies), or through courts. At least I have been following the politics since 1990, I have not seen otherwise.