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[VCheng]

The PTI Project: Rise, Fall, and Why Many Supporters Still Refuse to Accept Reality


People need to understand that PTI did not rise out of some magical public wave. It was a carefully constructed project that started taking shape around 2011 and reached its peak in 2018. The idea that Imran Khan came to power only because of his popularity is completely false. Yes he had some public support, but the real power behind him was the same establishment that has been engineering governments in Pakistan for decades.

The first clear sign was the 2011 Lahore jalsa. Media gave him unlimited coverage in the months leading up to it. Channels were instructed to air every little statement he made. Senior journalists later admitted that orders came from higher up to "promote Khan at all costs". This was around the same time when the establishment had fallen out with PPP and was already planning how to counter PMLN in Punjab.

In 2013, during the elections, everyone remembers the role of certain Returning Officers who were later celebrated on TV. That was also the first time PTI insiders started openly admitting that they were getting help. People like Fauzia Kasuri and Justice Wajihuddin repeatedly said that internal elections of PTI were rigged and manipulated from inside. This was the first internal red flag.

By 2014, the project went public with the famous Dharna. Imran Khan and Tahir ul Qadri marched into Islamabad on the exact same day. That timing was not a coincidence. It was designed to paralize the PMLN government. The sit in lasted months and multiple reports later revealed that the "third umpire" narrative was real. In August 2014, Javed Hashmi openly said that PTI was being pushed to topple the government. His statements matched what later came out from multiple journalists and insiders.

The real engineering came before the 2018 election. Everyone knows about the "electable project". Dozens of electables from PPP and PMLN were forced or convinced to join PTI. This is documented. Names like Firdous Ashiq Awan, Shah Mahmood Qureshi, Babar Awan, Ghulam Sarwar, Aleem Khan, Jahangir Tareen. Almost all of them were part of the establishment approved group. This was also the era when media houses were forced to downplay Nawaz Sharif. His famous "mujhe kyun nikala" speeches were cut short or not aired. Channels were fined. Journalists were abducted or silenced. All of this created a clean runway for Imran Khan before the 2018 elections.

In July 2018, the results were delayed for hours due to the RTS system "crashing". Many candidates reported they were winning by thousands and then lost by morning. Even ECP officials later admitted mismanagement. The Senate elections, the presidential election, the confidence votes, everything showed that PTI was working with institutional blessings.

But the project started breaking in late 2021. The economy was collapsing. Inflation had hit its highest point. The establishment was unhappy with PTI's governance. The breaking point was the DG ISI appointment issue in October 2021. From that moment, the marriage ended. By early 2022, the establishment shifted its support away from PTI. The no confidence vote succeeded and PTI lost power. This was the moment when many people found out the truth. PTI had no real parliamentary strength. Without the establishment they couldnt even hold their MNAs together.

What we see today is a result of denial. PTI supporters cannot accept that their entire movement was a manufactured project. They say "the people will bring Imran back". But if the people had the power to bring him, then how did he lose power overnight in 2022. How did his entire party collapse after May 9. How did almost every senior leader run away, quit politics or form their own party. How did his social media army suddently go silent after the crackdown.

The truth is simple. PTI as a project was created, managed and ended by the same people. The public support existed but it was not enough to form a government on its own. The supporters today still think he is some sort of misunderstood hero. They refuse to accept that he was used and then dropped just like many before him.

And the most painful part is that Pakistan wasted almost a decade on this experiment. The country is still recovering from the mess. But unless people accept what happened, they will keep supporting myths instead of facing reality.

Great post, but let us never forget that those who did all this project creation, promotion, managing, and the inevitable dismantling with IK, are STILL doing it. And will continue to do so for the foreseeable future.

 

[VCheng]

what an you expect from people whose heroes are people like Gill and Adil raja ...

Well, Adil Raja has some problems, it seems:

UK High Court orders Adil Raja to publicly apologise to Brig (retd) Rashid Naseer

LONDON: The UK High Court has ordered YouTuber Major Adil Raja to make a public apology and pay around £310,000 in damages and legal costs to Brigadier Rashid Naseer in relation to the defamation case that Adil Raja lost in October this...

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The Judge has made the following orders to Raja: he must make a public apology for his defamatory statements towards Brig (retired) Naseer; this apology is to be posted for 28 days on Raja’s Twitter, Facebook, YouTube accounts and the main page of his website; Raja has been ordered to pay £50,000 in damages and £260,000 costs upfront (and the rest to be assessed later) all to be paid by 22 December 2025; Raja has been issued an Injunction order not to repeat the defamatory statements; and permission to Appeal was not granted by the Judge.

In October this year, the UK High Court Judge ruled against Major (retd) Raja in the defamation case filed by Brigadier (retd) Naseer at the London High Court that Raja defamed Naseer, without any factual basis and evidence, made false allegations and therefore the court awarded £50,000 in damages to Naseer, an injunction restraining Raja from repeating his baseless and false allegations ever again and ordered Raja to publish a summary of the judgement confirming that Naseer had won the case and that the allegations were defamatory.

 

[Watandar]

The PTI Project: Rise, Fall, and Why Many Supporters Still Refuse to Accept Reality


People need to understand that PTI did not rise out of some magical public wave. It was a carefully constructed project that started taking shape around 2011 and reached its peak in 2018. The idea that Imran Khan came to power only because of his popularity is completely false. Yes he had some public support, but the real power behind him was the same establishment that has been engineering governments in Pakistan for decades.

The first clear sign was the 2011 Lahore jalsa. Media gave him unlimited coverage in the months leading up to it. Channels were instructed to air every little statement he made. Senior journalists later admitted that orders came from higher up to "promote Khan at all costs". This was around the same time when the establishment had fallen out with PPP and was already planning how to counter PMLN in Punjab.

In 2013, during the elections, everyone remembers the role of certain Returning Officers who were later celebrated on TV. That was also the first time PTI insiders started openly admitting that they were getting help. People like Fauzia Kasuri and Justice Wajihuddin repeatedly said that internal elections of PTI were rigged and manipulated from inside. This was the first internal red flag.

By 2014, the project went public with the famous Dharna. Imran Khan and Tahir ul Qadri marched into Islamabad on the exact same day. That timing was not a coincidence. It was designed to paralize the PMLN government. The sit in lasted months and multiple reports later revealed that the "third umpire" narrative was real. In August 2014, Javed Hashmi openly said that PTI was being pushed to topple the government. His statements matched what later came out from multiple journalists and insiders.

The real engineering came before the 2018 election. Everyone knows about the "electable project". Dozens of electables from PPP and PMLN were forced or convinced to join PTI. This is documented. Names like Firdous Ashiq Awan, Shah Mahmood Qureshi, Babar Awan, Ghulam Sarwar, Aleem Khan, Jahangir Tareen. Almost all of them were part of the establishment approved group. This was also the era when media houses were forced to downplay Nawaz Sharif. His famous "mujhe kyun nikala" speeches were cut short or not aired. Channels were fined. Journalists were abducted or silenced. All of this created a clean runway for Imran Khan before the 2018 elections.

In July 2018, the results were delayed for hours due to the RTS system "crashing". Many candidates reported they were winning by thousands and then lost by morning. Even ECP officials later admitted mismanagement. The Senate elections, the presidential election, the confidence votes, everything showed that PTI was working with institutional blessings.

But the project started breaking in late 2021. The economy was collapsing. Inflation had hit its highest point. The establishment was unhappy with PTI's governance. The breaking point was the DG ISI appointment issue in October 2021. From that moment, the marriage ended. By early 2022, the establishment shifted its support away from PTI. The no confidence vote succeeded and PTI lost power. This was the moment when many people found out the truth. PTI had no real parliamentary strength. Without the establishment they couldnt even hold their MNAs together.

What we see today is a result of denial. PTI supporters cannot accept that their entire movement was a manufactured project. They say "the people will bring Imran back". But if the people had the power to bring him, then how did he lose power overnight in 2022. How did his entire party collapse after May 9. How did almost every senior leader run away, quit politics or form their own party. How did his social media army suddently go silent after the crackdown.

The truth is simple. PTI as a project was created, managed and ended by the same people. The public support existed but it was not enough to form a government on its own. The supporters today still think he is some sort of misunderstood hero. They refuse to accept that he was used and then dropped just like many before him.

And the most painful part is that Pakistan wasted almost a decade on this experiment. The country is still recovering from the mess. But unless people accept what happened, they will keep supporting myths instead of facing reality.

Well you cannot put the genie back into the bottle. PTI is a political party that now exists not only on the provincial level but also at the federal level. People can choose whether to support Mr Imran Khan and PTI or not to, their motivations vary. The public support for PTI is clearly demonstrated by its supermajority in KPK and the Establishment's ferocious rigging to steal its votes in Punjab and at the federal level in 2024. The enduring public support for PTI is also clearly demonstrated in how obsessively the Establishment and its puppet political parties are focused on it and the heavy crackdown on it, including the jailing and lawfare its leader has been subjected to.

I do agree with you on the part that Pakistan wasted almost a decade in the experiment, but that to me further discredits the idiotic and treacherous Establishment of Pakistan, not PTI. There are limited paths to power in an autocracy and one cannot blame Imran or Nawaz or Zulfiqar or anyone else for using the system as it exists to come to power in the first place.

What they do with that power and prominence is what matters.

 

[El Sidd]

Tou theek hogaya.. uss ke baad Sahi walay election hojanay detay.

jo har jatay hain wo asli naqli haqeeqi zahiri batani me reh jatay hain. pitch achi nahi hogi, toss ka luck hoga, samne wala zyada form me hoga. etc etc etc

You speak too much truth. The Cultists will ignore any violation their Messiah Khan did or will do.

You cannot comprehend how hurt and psychologically broken his supporters are. It's not a laughing matter. They remain countrymen.

 

[Meengla]

You cannot comprehend how hurt and psychologically broken his supporters are. It's not a laughing matter. They remain countrymen.

Which STUPID 'leader' would dissolve his own Assemblies as Imran did after he lost the VONC in April 2022? He had lost the legal rights to do anything once the NCM was tabled; his only path left was to face the VONC but the coward couldn't even face such a routine Parliamentary legally binding motion. He had near parity in the National Assembly and in the Punjab Assembly and would be a powerful Leader of the Opposition had he just walked across the aisle to sit on the other side and play his role.

So it is extremely important to understand his unnecessary reckless actions: He is truly a very arrogant and stupid person and unfit to rule a complex nation like Pakistan. And he is not stopping making stupid decisions even now. Pity those who still can't see the true face of this retard of a 'leader'.

 

[VCheng]

had he just walked across the aisle to sit on the other side and play his role.

Sitting on the other side of the aisle is impossible when dreaming of being a caliph.

You know the saying about how well intellectual equivalents of "champagne dreams" work out with a "beer budget", I assume.

 

[Meengla]

Sitting on the other side of the aisle is impossible when dreaming of being a caliph.
You know the saying about how well intellectual equivalents of "champagne dreams" work out with a "beer budget", I assume.

No, not heard of the Champagne dreams but we all do know the 'Kavva Chala Huns ki Chaal' saying in Urdu! That is Imran Khan, the wanna be Caliph of the Riyasat e Medina!! Hahaha!!

 

[mythbuster]

Sitting on the other side of the aisle is impossible when dreaming of being a caliph.

You know the saying about how well intellectual equivalents of "champagne dreams" work out with a "beer budget", I assume.

One shall be content with dollar and a dream.

 

[Pradotlc]

In today's jalsa, people chanted kutta kutta when his name was mentioned.

True there is a lot of hate

But it does help.. focus should be on establishing rule of law and send army to the barracks

 

[Pradotlc]

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[Respect4Respect]

no i was just pointing out this is unrelated . i asked one of yours for evidence for particular claim he made , and essentially all i have got is bah pakistani system is bad bah and totally unrelated and unfortunate incidents .

It’s the corrupt elitist system that fuels these incidents. This case only came to light because social media picked it up, otherwise it would have been just another "normal" day in Pakistan.

 

[hasssanali8998]

It’s the corrupt elitist system that fuels these incidents.

i don't think any one disagrees with you on that , but again wtf **** does have to do with my question
on of you made a claim and i asked for evidence , and for the second time all you got is Pakistan is a bad place . don't make claims u cant back up

 

[maverick]

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establishment ko khullay aam nangha karnay wala..

 

[Abdul q]

اگر ایک قیدی بھی ریاست کے لئے سیکیورٹی رسک ہے تو سیکیورٹی انچارج بدل لیں

 

[ziaulislam]

PTI without Imran khan would be a popular separatist party representing 20-30 million people

Its as simple as that.. question is can the state keep half of the population together..last time it tried it failed (bengal was 50 population)

(If KPK becomes anti Pakistan separatist along with balchistan which already is then sindh automatically will follow and thats 50% of population)

Last time bengal had india backing, this time Afghanistan may have anyone/superpower backing if such a fault line comes in front dont be surprised we get the Sudan or Indonesia treatment and someone comes in and redraw the line as per wishes of people..

Also army has gravely mis calculated the amount of action it would need in full insurgency in kpk, this isnt bengal