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[AeronautIR]

@HemlockKhalid/AeronautIR

I watched one of your recent podcasts/interviews on YouTube, and I found it to be exceptionally good. I strongly encourage you to increase your production frequency. Currently, we rarely encounter content from genuine professionals; the landscape is dominated by clickbait YouTubers whose production quality is generally abysmal, and often quite laughable.

We typically see this caliber of specialized, high-quality discussion originating from the Western sphere. Platforms like 'Quwa,' and a few other professional initiatives from Pakistan, are notable exceptions.

I urge you to share links to all your content (videos, articles, and blog posts) directly within this forum. More importantly, please consider mentoring and cultivating a wider pool of professionals (extending beyond the Air Force) to actively foster a robust, high-quality generation of indigenous digital content from the Pakistani side.

Thank you for your kind words... I have a YouTube channel and I am planning to make a couple of playlists about Evolution of Airpower and History of PAF after my exams in end December insha Allah https://youtube.com/@aeronautir?si=ZFUgT44MtpSukTQh

 

[RAMPAGE]

I don't know how many people in Pakistan are studying or paying attention to Rwanda. But there are indeed many people on Chinese social media who are following Rwanda.

Their current social development is very stable. China is the largest source of foreign investment in Rwanda. Chinese investment in Rwanda is increasing year by year. Investment is mainly concentrated in agriculture, education, and basic industries. Currently, this potential is not yet fully evident, but it will unleash its potential in a few years. Chinese people call Rwanda the "Singapore of Africa."

Most of the officers in the Rwandan army have received systematic training at Chinese military academies. Their leadership philosophy, combat tactics, and strategic thinking all originate from Chinese instructors.

When their economic conditions permit, the JF-17 will be their best choice for building an advanced air force. This will take some time, but not too long.

When they can afford an airforce, PAF is indeed ideally situated to give them one.

 

[hasssanali8998]

after my exams in end December

Good luck man .

 

[AeronautIR]

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Good luck man .

Appreciate it

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

@HemlockKhalid/AeronautIR why we didnt use Ra'ad 2 in may7-10 conflict when IAF used SCALP-EG and brahmos? Also, is there any work going on in integrating our ALCMs with J-10CE?

Ra'ad, Babur and Nasr were all reserved as nuclear weapons delivery systems.

But no longer after the Army Rocket Force was established. India is to blame for lowering the nuclear threshold.

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

Thank you for your kind words... I have a YouTube channel and I am planning to make a couple of playlists about Evolution of Airpower and History of PAF after my exams in end December insha Allah https://youtube.com/@aeronautir?si=ZFUgT44MtpSukTQh

Good luck brother.

 

[Tariq Habib Afridi]

Ra'ad, Babur and Nasr were all reserved as nuclear weapons delivery systems.

But no longer after the Army Rocket Force was established. India is to blame for lowering the nuclear threshold.

Do we have the Ra'ad numbers? that is my actual concern. I think we didnt have the numbers as previously we didnt expected that indians will lower the nuclear threshold to this level?

 

[AeronautIR]

Do we have the Ra'ad numbers? that is my actual concern. I think we didnt have the numbers as previously we were know that indians will lower the nuclear threshold to this level?

I don't know about the numbers but we could have definitely fired a couple to show intent if decision to use ALCMs was taken...
I think it was to control escalation dynamics and not due to lesser numbers.

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

Do we have the Ra'ad numbers? that is my actual concern. I think we didnt have the numbers as previously we were know that indians will lower the nuclear threshold to this level?

Pakistan is not going to fight the next war on Indian terms, like showing restraint.

Remember, Pakistan has already promised to hit India in the next war from the East.

 

[SiliconBit (silicon0000)]

Thank you for your kind words... I have a YouTube channel and I am planning to make a couple of playlists about Evolution of Airpower and History of PAF after my exams in end December insha Allah https://youtube.com/@aeronautir?si=ZFUgT44MtpSukTQh

Good luck for your exams dear.

 

[Tariq Habib Afridi]

I don't know about the numbers but we could have definitely fired a couple to show intent if decision to use ALCMs was taken...
I think it was to control escalation dynamics and not due to lesser numbers.

Sir, I also feel that we showed too much restraint, perhaps because of our economy, as we did not want to escalate the conflict.

But Sir, when I saw the spectacular flames from their SCALP-EG, my blood truly boiled here. Both BrahMos and SCALP have a considerably heavy warhead. In return, we only used the F-1, whose warhead is very small.

This is the one thing that truly bothers me: I wish we had also launched four or five missiles with a 300+ kg warhead and seen the fear in the hearts of the Indians.

There is perhaps a video from Bahawalpur where people are tied to a bike, and a big explosion with massive flames creates a terrifying scene. We should have seen two or three such sights from the Indian side as well.

 

[AeronautIR]

Sir, I also feel that we showed too much restraint, perhaps because of our economy, as we did not want to escalate the conflict.

But Sir, when I saw the spectacular flames from their SCALP-EG, my blood truly boiled here. Both BrahMos and SCALP have a considerably heavy warhead. In return, we only used the F-1, whose warhead is very small.

This is the one thing that truly bothers me: I wish we had also launched four or five missiles with a 300+ kg warhead and seen the fear in the hearts of the Indians.

There is perhaps a video from Bahawalpur where people are tied to a bike, and a big explosion with massive flames creates a terrifying scene. We should have seen two or three such sights from the Indian side as well.

Way above my pay-grade dude... my personal feelings aside, I can only guess why these decisions were taken...
Only someone who sits in inner circle can tell us the exact reasons for this restraint.

 

[Corax]

Ra'ad, Babur and Nasr were all reserved as nuclear weapons delivery systems.

But no longer after the Army Rocket Force was established. India is to blame for lowering the nuclear threshold.

Nasr as a nuclear delivery platform was a bit of a joke to begin with less than 100km range, I think it was what 60 or 80km?

 

[Tariq Habib Afridi]

Way above my pay-grade dude... my personal feelings aside, I can only guess why these decisions were taken...
Only someone who sits in inner circle can tell us the exact reasons for this restraint.

Second point: India used the BrahMos, which is not just their conventional-only weapon... if I'm not mistaken, it is also a tactical weapon. Now this was no ordinary matter. And this was highly irresponsible behavior from the Indians. Just on this one thing alone, I would go around the entire world telling everyone: "See how irresponsible the Indians are?"

What if we had treated the BrahMos as a tactical (nuclear-capable) weapon? There was no discussion from our side on this issue, which I think was the biggest opportunity we missed. We could have utterly humiliated India on the world stage over this single point.

Anyway, we don’t know why such decisions were taken at that time, but to me only two reasons seem possible:

1. Our economy wasn’t in great shape and we didn’t want to prolong a conflict, so we showed restraint, or
2. We genuinely didn’t have those missiles in sufficient numbers, and until May 2025 we were under the illusion that things would never reach the conventional stage.

Well, now we’ve established a Rocket Force and have already tested the F-4. So now, moving beyond the nuclear doctrine, we will probably start producing conventional missiles in much larger numbers.

But we should immediately launch a conventional variant of the Ra’ad under some different name, so that later the Indians have no doubt (about its nature). And we should produce that too in very large numbers.