Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[hasssanali8998]

Theres nothing that the iranians can do

but they did penetrate Israeli ADs might be few dozen but they did achieve it .

 

[AeronautIR]

yeh to choro do you guy remember this
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also this is probably BS001

It was RB001, dual-seater

 

[Ibbi32]

but they did penetrate Israeli ADs might be few dozen but they did achieve it .

Not a really big achievement especially considering just how much they threw at it. If anything what hamas achieved with their rocket attacks is really something when they completely overwhelmed iron dome so badly that iirc they had to reset it completely.No ads is impenetrable. People now only talk about the june war when theres a lot to learn from the missile strikes in april and October. In the april strikes the Israelis achieved something like a remarkable 93% interception rate against 100+ missiles. But the iranians werent foolish so they learned and in the strikes in October changed tactics used decoys and massed strikes with shaheds to achieve a very impressive 70% interception rate only and this with only 80 missiles when they struck the Israeli airbase in the negev. But once again their aim was off and the missiles werent precise enough to damage the airbase severely. The point is its not about doctrine its about strategy and execution. In the june war iran was basically forced into retaliating before they could be destroyed by prowling Isreali aircraft and so you got a very disjointed campaign that meant that Israel was able to boast 85+% interception rate throughout the campaign

 

[NationalistPKDude132]

Not a really big achievement especially considering just how much they threw at it. If anything what hamas achieved with their rocket attacks is really something when they completely overwhelmed iron dome so badly that iirc they had to reset it completely.No ads is impenetrable. People now only talk about the june war when theres a lot to learn from the missile strikes in april and October. In the april strikes the Israelis achieved something like a remarkable 93% interception rate against 100+ missiles. But the iranians werent foolish so they learned and in the strikes in October changed tactics used decoys and massed strikes with shaheds to achieve a very impressive 70% interception rate only and this with only 80 missiles when they struck the Israeli airbase in the negev. But once again their aim was off and the missiles werent precise enough to damage the airbase severely. The point is its not about doctrine its about strategy and execution. In the june war iran was basically forced into retaliating before they could be destroyed by prowling Isreali aircraft and so you got a very disjointed campaign that meant that Israel was able to boast 85+% interception rate throughout the campaign

israel to be honest was really starting to get vulnerabel in the end of the june war


Part of the reason why trump was hasty with the ceasefire i think was that israel was quickly losing interceptors and the longer the war carried on i think more damage iran could inflict to israel....

 

[Ibbi32]

israel to be honest was really starting to get vulnerabel in the end of the june war


Part of the reason why trump was hasty with the ceasefire i think was that israel was quickly losing interceptors and the longer the war carried on i think more damage iran could inflict to israel....

People will say Isreal was losing interceptors and that the USN was very quickly running out of ammo as if the Isreali airforce hadnt destroyed 2/3 of the iranian launch platforms by that point and wasnt taking potshots at targets in the middle of iran whenevee they felt like it. Isrealis were actively hunting for khamainei by that point and their primary concern had shifted from iranian nuclear sites and missile launch platforms to hunting senior leadership and terrorising the iranian population

 

[Bilal]

Not a really big achievement especially considering just how much they threw at it. If anything what hamas achieved with their rocket attacks is really something when they completely overwhelmed iron dome so badly that iirc they had to reset it completely.No ads is impenetrable. People now only talk about the june war when theres a lot to learn from the missile strikes in april and October. In the april strikes the Israelis achieved something like a remarkable 93% interception rate against 100+ missiles. But the iranians werent foolish so they learned and in the strikes in October changed tactics used decoys and massed strikes with shaheds to achieve a very impressive 70% interception rate only and this with only 80 missiles when they struck the Israeli airbase in the negev. But once again their aim was off and the missiles werent precise enough to damage the airbase severely. The point is its not about doctrine its about strategy and execution. In the june war iran was basically forced into retaliating before they could be destroyed by prowling Isreali aircraft and so you got a very disjointed campaign that meant that Israel was able to boast 85+% interception rate throughout the campaign

That is exactly the point. Even with such dense AD some got through, so expect some to go through ours also. Overall the performance was good.

 

[Ibbi32]

Which is also a rather interesting(if rather stark) metric on how Pakistan tends to lose more ranking leaders than India - be it on the LoC, against nutjobs in the west or Bstan or even in history of PAF - many more "seasoned" lost compared to India which loses more cannon fodder?

I have no comments on who is "smarter" in that regard.

PA has the highest officer to enlisted loss ratio in the world i believe with something like 1 officer to 8 enlisted in war on terror. Now this may be skewed by ttp and other orgs targeting officers as HVTs but throughout our history our officers have an unfortunate habit of getting themselves killed we lost generals in 65 71 and kargil I believe despite how relatively short and limited those wars were. I dont think its an issue of being smarter or anything but from my limiting reading of PA engagement atleast officers dont like to sit back and command from a far and have to get upclose to the action to give commands which is somewhat counterproductive. An example I have read of recent engagements is in October of one of the strikes ttp did on Pakistani convoy the high ranking officer rushed into combat to lead from the front and was resultingly killed in the firefight rather than take more stock of situation and lead from cover realising hes the biggest and most important target there

Just some of my thoughts feel free fo correct me

 

[Bratva]

Sarghoda airbase was also hit with Indian drones prior to brahmos/sclap strike on the runaways. A radar tech was martyred with the drone stike.

 

[Bratva]

If you keep referring to Indian sources, you may also believe that after any major conflicts with Pakistan there's a sudden rise in IAF personnel getting killed on Road accidents, and radar Air defense personnel falling off passenger trains.

@Oscar & @safriz Regardless of propaganda, this guy is presenting satellite images which hasn't been refuted by Pakistan or Pakistani sources with a counter. Everyone does propaganda. Alan Warnes for PAF, This guy with Indian money. But with satellite images. A picture is worth thousand words.

 

[safriz]

Sarghoda airbase was also hit with Indian drones prior to brahmos/sclap strike on the runaways. A radar tech was martyred with the drone stike.

Post a link to the news report, or any social media content from that time, mentioning this?

 

[Bilal]

@Oscar & @safriz Regardless of propaganda, this guy is presenting satellite images which hasn't been refuted by Pakistan or Pakistani sources with a counter. Everyone does propaganda. Alan Warnes for PAF, This guy with Indian money. But with satellite images. A picture is worth thousand words.

Specially when these images are commercially available.

 

[puttputt]

There is no problem with claims. As I said, the imagery has not been released by Pakistan and so everyone thinks we were not able to hit anything. Now, if Indian commanders know the truth and public doesn't, that is enough for me because they are the ones who decide to wage war and not the masses.

oh bhai, the absence of evidence means the absence of facts.

The whole point of having photos is to establish proof. If we can't offer credible imagery to back up our claims, then our claims absolutely mean nothing.

Back in 2019, we brought Captain Tamil Nadu on TV to prove we took out their MiG-21bis. Indians, on the other hand, kept saying they took out an F-16 and offered no proof; hence, neither we nor the world took their claims seriously.

We can't just flip the standards around now that it doesn't suit our narrative.

The chilling reality of this discussion is that it's revealing we've got babu-berries up our own butts, and we need to flush them out of our system. It's clear that our propaganda wing's run by babus, and I fear to God that our defence is also managed by them now.

 

[Bratva]

Post a link to the news report, or any social media content from that time, mentioning this?

PAF martyred official laid to rest in Mardan

MARDAN: Mohammad Ayaz, a martyr official of Pakistan Air Force, was laid to rest at his ancestral graveyard in ...

www.dawn.com

 

[Oscar]

@Oscar & @safriz Regardless of propaganda, this guy is presenting satellite images which hasn't been refuted by Pakistan or Pakistani sources with a counter. Everyone does propaganda. Alan Warnes for PAF, This guy with Indian money. But with satellite images. A picture is worth thousand words.

I don’t think there is anyone to think of disputing this. For all the talk of empowerment of OSINT post June the PAF or rather all of this current leadership is busy doing “shabash” and awarding each other medals.

Only that thin veneer is busy preparing and keeping it all together

 

[Oscar]

The chilling reality of this discussion is that it's revealing we've got babu-berries up our own butts, and we need to flush them out of our system. It's clear that our propaganda wing's run by babus, and I fear to God that our defence is also managed by them now.

not only Babus but babus who are busy witch hunting and removing anyone who doesn’t call them the next best thing to General Dolittle in leadership or Richtofen in flying capability .