Syrian Civil War and The future of Syria after liberation

What's the positive thing they said?

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"The Cradle" is an english language Shia publication based out of Lebanon, the usual editorial line towards Turkey is that Turkey is Secretly working with Israel, of course that farce is harder to maintain when israel is outright creating Anti Turkish alliances and is paranoid about Turkey, trying to block F-35s and trying to lobby the US to to stop Turkey from setting up bases in Syria, and talking about how Turkey is a threat and setting up air defense or trying to support the PKK/SDF to against Turkey and Syria.
 
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"The Cradle" is an english language Shia publication based out of Lebanon, the usual editorial line towards Turkey is that Turkey is Secretly working with Israel, of course that farce is harder to maintain when israel is outright creating Anti Turkish alliances and is paranoid about Turkey, trying to block F-35s and trying to lobby the US to to stop Turkey from setting up bases in Syria, and talking about how Turkey is a threat and setting up air defense or trying to support the PKK/SDF to against Turkey and Syria.
Ok,so what's the positive thing they said?
 
Turkiye should install the S400 into Syria, hell even "sell" it to Syria. Would solve 2 problems in one go of the USA not wanting Turkiye to operate the S400, and for Syria to start to re-establish an effective IADS.

It would be a good solution, but This requires Russian approval. Also the S-400 by itself doesn't really help Syria, they would need Shorads to defend that S-400 HIMAD battery.

Ideally if politics didn't matter, If it was up to me I'd send it to Pakistan to get it out of the country for the F-35 deal, b/c I know if we ever needed it again, Pakistanis would send it back for use. But Russia would object b/c of India.

I think they should try to get Russia to accept the transfer of it to Azerbaijan. That might be workable as Russians are not necessarily hostile to Azerbaijan and have sold them equipment before. And the Azeris would send it back to Turkey if needed.
 
Ideally if politics didn't matter, If it was up to me I'd send it to Pakistan to get it out of the country for the F-35 deal, b/c I know if we ever needed it again, Pakistanis would send it back for use. But Russia would object b/c of India.
Such confidence in indigenous systems like KAAN and Hisar....
 
Such confidence in indigenous systems like KAAN and Hisar....

You got nothing better to do than be a Shitty troll? lol

That has nothing to do with KAAN or Hisar.

As of right now, Turkey hasn't replaced the entire envelope of Air Defense that the S-400 provides, namely Anti Ballistic Missile defense and upper echelon HIMAD capability. That Capability comes with SIPER Block 3 and above. That will not be ready until 2028-2030.

Turkey's air defense layer started at the bottom with CIWS, and Soft Kill air defense and EW, then moved to SHORADS and now has the medium element, working on HIMAD and THAAD, with the SIPER blocks 2-3 and Above.
 
You got nothing better to do than be a Shitty troll? lol

That has nothing to do with KAAN or Hisar.

As of right now, Turkey hasn't replaced the entire envelope of Air Defense that the S-400 provides, namely Anti Ballistic Missile defense and upper echelon HIMAD capability. That Capability comes with SIPER Block 3 and above. That will not be ready until 2028-2030.
You were trolling all day yesterday,now you're getting angry?

Ok so here's the thing,your hypothetical scenario involves Turkey giving the S-400s to Pakistan to get the F-35. And then if needed,Pakistan giving them back to Turkey. You said that's what you would do. So that means that it would potentially take some years to finalize such a deal. And it means that

1.Turkey doesn't have confidence in the quality and/or production of the KAAN and needs F-35 as well
2.Turkey wouldn't be confident in the quality or production of the new indigenous AA systems,that it would need the S-400s back in case of war.

And that's also something we see now. Because Turkey wants the F-35s badly and also says they want to keep the S-400s.
 
So that means that it would potentially take some years to finalize such a deal.

Why would that be? You can fly the entire system to Pakistan tomorrow if needed.

Let me clarify, there is no use for the S-400 post 2028-2030 when the upper eschelon HIMAD and THAAD equivalent would be domestically produced and in service.

So here in this context, we are talking within 3-5 year range if there is a need for Turkey to intercept HIMAD and THAAD targets. Thats the only context for where the S-400 is relevant. Its also why Turkey is more willing to get rid of the S-400 than it was earlier on, as the domestic capacity has now caught up or is catching up, to where it loses its relevance to Turkey as a platform.

You made up your own conclusions and they are incorrect.
 
Why would that be? You can fly the entire system to Pakistan tomorrow if needed.

Let me clarify, there is no use for the S-400 post 2028-2030 when the upper eschelon HIMAD and THAAD equivalent would be domestically produced and in service.

So here in this context, we are talking within 3-5 year range if there is a need for Turkey to intercept HIMAD and THAAD targets. Thats the only context for where the S-400 is relevant. Its also why Turkey is more willing to get rid of the S-400 than it was earlier on, as the domestic capacity has now caught up or is catching up, to where it loses its relevance to Turkey as a platform.

You made up your own conclusions and they are incorrect.
You could always ditch it on Syria then,Modi would start a fuss about Pakistan. Not that Pakistanis haven't already trained with it in Turkey :P That's the first thing they'd have asked for when you got them.
 
You could always ditch it on Syria then,Modi would start a fuss about Pakistan. Not that Pakistanis haven't already trained with it in Turkey :P That's the first thing they'd have asked for when you got them.

Thats exactly why I said Pakistan would be an issue b/c the Indians bought the S-400s from Russia and that causes a major fracture for Russia to have it happen and Turkey will not burn Russia like that, as its just bad for business relations in the future.

The only 3 realistic options are either disassemble it(which might not be enough for the US as its not leaving turkey and can be assembled agian), return it to Russia(can't get it back if wanted or needed) or transfer it to a country Russia wouldn't object too much to(like Azerbaijan).

I'm not opposed to sending it to Syria, but Sending it to Syria may not fix things, as I mentioned the complications there in the first post, the S-400 cannot function without SHORAD protection, Syria does not have this, so the system will be targetted by the Israelis immediately. Russians may still be upset over it, and perhaps the US.
 
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Thats exactly why I said Pakistan would be an issue b/c the Indians bought the S-400s from Russia and that causes a major fracture for Russia to have it happen and Turkey will not burn Russia like that, as its just bad for business relations in the future.

The only 3 realistic options are either disassemble it(which might not be enough for the US as its not leaving turkey and can be assembled agian), return it to Russia(can't get it back if wanted or needed) or transfer it to a country Russia wouldn't object too much to(like Azerbaijan).

I'm not opposed to sending it to Syria, but Sending it to Syria may not fix things, as I mentioned the complications there in the first post, the S-400 cannot function without SHORAD protection, Syria does not have this, so the system will be targetted by the Israelis immediately. Russians may still be upset over it, and perhaps the US.

Are Sungur / Hisar-A / Korkut not good enough to provide the SHORAD element ?
 
Are Sungur / Hisar-A / Korkut not good enough to provide the SHORAD element ?

They are. But there is more to it, there is a whole layer.

Syria doesn't have any of this right now.

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Iraq cannot seriously claim to be “ousting Americans” while its political system remains captured by foreign influence. The Iraqi people themselves are not free to decide their future. What we are seeing is largely political theatrics. If the Iraqi regime genuinely wanted to remove American influence, it would first need to step aside and allow the Iraqi people to govern themselves free from Iranian control.

As for the Taliban–Pakistan conflict, the root cause is well known: the Durand Line, drawn by the British in 1893, which split the Pashtun people into two states. This was a classic colonial strategy dividing communities with shared history and identity, then leaving behind unstable borders and systems of indirect rule. When resistance to British exploitation became unmanageable, failed, or too costly, Britain was infamous for withdrawing while deliberately maintaining instability. This approach left weakened states that remained vulnerable to external influence. The British used this model across Asia and Africa to keep regions fragmented, weak, and dependent.
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Finally, complaints about attacks on diplomats coming from Iran sound ironic. Iranian history includes repeated violations of diplomatic normsfrom the 1979 U.S. embassy hostage crisis to attacks on British and Saudi embassies in recent years. Even earlier history records the killing of foreign envoys with disastrous consequences. Tradition recounts that the Sassanian ruler Khosrow tore up the Prophet Muhammad’s peace be upon him message, an act for which Muhammad (peace be upon him) prayed against Iran, saying, "May it be torn to pieces like a torn letter". Similarly, the killing of envoys sent by Genghis Khan’s court provoked devastating Mongol retaliation against Iran.
What a load of nonsense. Iran has 2600 years influence in Iraq and before that had thousands years of interwined history, now you want to separate that? :LOL:

Iraq wants US forces clearly out, let Turkey, Kuwaitis, Bahrainis etc learn and follow Iraqi example:
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/1/5/iraqi-parliament-calls-for-expulsion-of-foreign-troops

If Durand line is not accepted and Afghans kill Pakistani soldiers because of that, let them give Herat back to Iran which was given to them by British. The whole Afghanistan de jure (formal) separation from Iran was in 1857, under British influence. If you are against British imperialism, why dont you mention this?

Us made a coup in Iran against our democratic independent government and brought back dictator Shah because we Nationalized our oil in 1953. So 1979 storming of embassy (no any person killed) was nothing compared to that and was more a soft reaction against American crimes in Iran and the whole world (Vietnam for example).

You are fiercely defending US and British crimes, including Saudi crimes which some mention as genocide in Yemen. The Sassanians were known as being honourful in diplomacy and outside of Islamic/Abrahamic religious propaganda no such thing is written in Roman or Iranian sources about sassanid king toring letter.

The mongol traders was killed by Inalchuq (governor of Otrar), uncle of Shah Muhammad II of the Khwarazmian Empire. When Chengiz Khan sent ambassadors to demand Inalchuq to be punished, Shah Muhammad II killed the ambassadors.

Inalchuq and Khwarazmian empire were Turkics, I dont know why you blame this barbarism on Iranians. The evenly wild/low cultured mongols genocided central Asia and finished Abbasid Sunni Muslim caliphate (who claimed descent from Mohammads uncle).

You are really misinformed about history and the sad thing is you get a like (example of blind man following blind man to find the way)
 

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