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[Garcia Sea]

Let’s learn some history, unless you’re talking about some extreme microstate, the countries that get invaded over and over tend to be the ones with a lot of mountainous terrain. Mountains are a pain to defend and surprisingly easy to attack, people have known that since ancient times.

That’s why Iran has been exposed to constant invasions since before the Common Era. If you look back through history, it’s basically a repeating pattern, countries sitting on big plains or steppe land push into mountainous countries.

And yeah, it’s still true today. Iran’s mountain ranges block radar and make air defense a huge headache, while for an invader, that terrain is basically a blessing.

 

[Flotilla]

I've read that you have only one line in military art, so it's pointless for me to continue proposing other paths.
Following your line, which indicates that everything is useless and will be destroyed by the powerful enemy, I propose providing IRAN only with lifeboats.
But unlike you, I think that if IRAN were to shut itself in a sea that is essentially a lake with a narrow passage to the open sea, all Iranian naval units in that lake would become an easily identifiable target for that powerful enemy, which would attack them without even allowing a single one of its ships to enter, but would do so in open waters or by attacking from land.
In such a situation, and since it has self-preserved itself in the gulf, IRAN would be unable to do anything to counter them, only to suffer inevitable destruction.
On the other hand, if you have ocean-going submarines like the Kilo class or similar ones operating in open waters, they can pose a major problem for attackers, because they will always have to operate with the risk of being torpedoed.
But you think differently, and reading your replies won't change your mind. So ours risks becoming an endless discussion that ultimately produces nothing new, only repetition.

IMO Mr. Emirzad is mixing multirole combat warship with military vessels. While for combat are necessary to hold and operate the better combat warships, all navies need military vessels. From combat support to special purpose vessels (amphibious, oilers, combat replenishment, minesweepers/minehunters, electronic surveillance, ocean tug vessels and of course submarines), IRIN have been building small combat vessels and many auxiliary vessels. It is not enough for open war against a powerful nation, but they're profesional and painstically building a blue water navy.
After both oilers/AOR ships (Makran and Kurdestan), two future Fateh, IRIN would need just some 3 or 4 combat vessels like Type 054AP or Type 054B.
But I agree that for being oceanic It is mandatory something like Makran and other AOR vessels.
We must be patients. North Korea Navy was nothing special 10 years ago and nowadays they have from truly heavy frigates or destroyers to nuclear submarines.

 

[Arash]

25,000 barrels of oil

Iran exports around 2 million barrels per day, so this seizure was 1% of one day's export

this suggests it was a local smuggling effort taking advantage of cheap prices in Iran to export to other countries

which country did it belong to ?

 

[BigMela2onin]

Let’s learn some history, unless you’re talking about some extreme microstate, the countries that get invaded over and over tend to be the ones with a lot of mountainous terrain. Mountains are a pain to defend and surprisingly easy to attack, people have known that since ancient times.

That’s why Iran has been exposed to constant invasions since before the Common Era. If you look back through history, it’s basically a repeating pattern, countries sitting on big plains or steppe land push into mountainous countries.

And yeah, it’s still true today. Iran’s mountain ranges block radar and make air defense a huge headache, while for an invader, that terrain is basically a blessing.

Strange conclusion to make. Mountains have always been a natural barrier to invasion going back as far as the Carthaginian wars but modern technology has made up for this largely.
Iran gets invaded a lot because of its location at the junction of three continents and its location on a major trade route, and Iranians get conquered repeatedly they are and have always been poor quality fighters.

 

[Kyussis]

Strange conclusion to make. Mountains have always been a natural barrier to invasion going back as far as the Carthaginian wars but modern technology has made up for this largely.
Iran gets invaded a lot because of its location at the junction of three continents and its location on a major trade route, and Iranians get conquered repeatedly they are and have always been poor quality fighters.

No Iran always gets conquered because Vatan Foroosh like you have existed to let in foreigners who they viewed superior to their own country men.

 

[shapurzolaktaf]

Strange conclusion to make. Mountains have always been a natural barrier to invasion going back as far as the Carthaginian wars but modern technology has made up for this largely.
Iran gets invaded a lot because of its location at the junction of three continents and its location on a major trade route, and Iranians get conquered repeatedly they are and have always been poor quality fighters.

I disagree, up to 250 years ago Iran was a Huge country, so huge that today (its remnants) are still a big country. That cant be said about a country which gets easy conquered.

1400 years ago muslim arabs conquered Iran, not because of weakness, or miracle from Allah, but because
- we had fought Romans (westerners) 30 years
- we had civil war (changing 10 kings in 4 years!!)
- mass starvation due to Justinian plague

The mongol attack agaist us was pure savagery provoked by Turkic khwarazm dynasty who killed mongol traders and ambassadors.

It's our cultural depth, tolerance which made us weak (you still see it today, how westerners zionists and sunni arabs are ruthless whenever they get the chance, chemical and nuclear weapons, genocides, but we Iranians have to show are cultural depth and tolerance and frame it as Islamic lol).

Had we wiped out the Sunni Abbasid Caliphate when we had the chance and could (during Buyid empire), maybe we would not have to wait for mongols to come and do that, and genociding us in proces.

Only radical revolutionary, ideological, nationalist leaders can lift Iran >> Sassan, Shah Ismail, Khomeini (from a radical, ideological POV). Forget about fixing Iran using our cultural depth, tolerance, following international law, Islamic brotherhood etc.

 

[GWXP]

North Korea - a country with a population of 26mln people, GDP PPP the size of Rwanda and standard of living comparable to Liberia, unveiled a nuclear powered submarine with displacement of 8700tons.

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The nuclear submarine program in North Korea started around 2014, so it took 12 years for North Korea to develop this submarine.

Iran had expressed desire to have nuclear powered submarines as early as 2010.

After Iran develops nuclear weapons, it should import North Korean nuclear submarine technology.

 

[kastor ville]

No Iran always gets conquered because Vatan Foroosh like you have existed to let in foreigners who they viewed superior to their own country men.

You also tend to throw your countrymen under bus when their politics don't line up with yours....you guys tend to use the word "Traitor"way too much.....traitor is a very harsh word in English, in the West you can get into a first fight if you call some patriotic dude that. You need to realize when you live in a democracy, there are people who may have different viewpoints when it comes to governing. What kind of country would you have If people went around, and accused each other of being traitors... and jailed them or even killed them? You'd have a fascist country pretty fast.

 

[sahureka2]

North Korea - a country with a population of 26mln people, GDP PPP the size of Rwanda and standard of living comparable to Liberia, unveiled a nuclear powered submarine with displacement of 8700tons.

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Iran had expressed desire to have nuclear powered submarines as early as 2010.

After Iran develops nuclear weapons, it should import North Korean nuclear submarine technology.

In truth, the beginning of the desire to build a nuclear-powered submarine by the DPRK dates back at least before 1995, the year in which a model was presented to Kim Jong Il.

 

[ToddE]

I've read that you have only one line in military art, so it's pointless for me to continue proposing other paths.
Following your line, which indicates that everything is useless and will be destroyed by the powerful enemy, I propose providing IRAN only with lifeboats.

You are twisting my words. I said naval surface vessels within IADS, IRIAF, IRIGCASF cover which is inside Persian Gulf, because them being targeted can be reciprocated, defended to some extent. Having some weakly armed corvettes or frigates outside will make them easy targets and Iran does not have the resources to save them while enemy has all the means to sink them with ease without getting near to Iranian coast.

But unlike you, I think that if IRAN were to shut itself in a sea that is essentially a lake with a narrow passage to the open sea, all Iranian naval units in that lake would become an easily identifiable target for that powerful enemy, which would attack them without even allowing a single one of its ships to enter, but would do so in open waters or by attacking from land.
In such a situation, and since it has self-preserved itself in the gulf, IRAN would be unable to do anything to counter them, only to suffer inevitable destruction.

So your strategy is to somehow counter the enemy by providing them with even more easier targets away from Iran because thats what "blue water" navy doctrine is all about? Just to have some level of credible defence of ships outside Persian Gulf, IRIN/IRGCN will need 8-12 Kilo class like submarines, naval air-wing so strong that can operate outside Persian Gulf for both active and passive missions, probably naval bases outside Persian Gulf. Also these surface vessels will need to be armed with stronger airdefence system for their own protection. What does Iran currently have out of these ?

On the other hand, if you have ocean-going submarines like the Kilo class or similar ones operating in open waters, they can pose a major problem for attackers, because they will always have to operate with the risk of being torpedoed.

Kilos cant protect aerial attacks on Iranian naval vessels outside PG.

 

[sahureka2]

Okissis

Kilos cant protect aerial attacks on Iranian naval vessels outside PG.

Perhaps you're unclear about the missions of conventional submarines like the Kilo class. Submarines aren't meant to defend national ships; they are attack vessels that exploit their submerged capabilities to strike enemy ships by surprise or hunt down enemy submarines

 

[ToddE]

Perhaps you're unclear about the missions of conventional submarines like the Kilo class. Submarines aren't meant to defend national ships; they are attack vessels that exploit their submerged capabilities to strike enemy ships by surprise or hunt down enemy submarines

Ok, so how do you save lightly armed corvettes/frigates and other ships in open seas outside Persian Gulf ?

 

[sahureka2]

Ok, so how do you save lightly armed corvettes/frigates and other ships in open seas outside Persian Gulf ?

You keep writing about corvettes and frigates, but perhaps you've forgotten that I've always proposed only ocean-going submarines that must conduct missions far from the lake that would become the Persian Gulf in the event of a conflict, and in this case, their mission is to attack the aggressor's or enemy's ships.
I've only mentioned submarines and ships like the Makran/Kordestan, or commercial vessels capable of refueling Kilo-class submarines or similar vessels on the high seas and far from the Iranian coast.
I've never included corvettes and/or frigates in this discussion.

 

[ToddE]

You keep writing about corvettes and frigates, but perhaps you've forgotten that I've always proposed only ocean-going submarines that must conduct missions far from the lake that would become the Persian Gulf in the event of a conflict, and in this case, their mission is to attack the aggressor's or enemy's ships.
I've only mentioned submarines and ships like the Makran/Kordestan, or commercial vessels capable of refueling Kilo-class submarines or similar vessels on the high seas and far from the Iranian coast.
I've never included corvettes and/or frigates in this discussion.

Strange because you were quite passionately defending useless Mowjs a page ago which is how we started this conversation. They are a waste of money, instead will become a liability against kind of enemies Iran is facing just like what happened in Praying Mantis. Same resources should have been or should be directed towards finishing Besat class or enlarging Fatehs to Fateh II with attack capability. 32 Surface vessels combined cant do for IRIN+IRGCN what a group of 10-12 attack submarines can accomplish to scare enemy. They are well within Iranian capabilities to make as well.

 

[Flotilla]

Strange because you were quite passionately defending useless Mowjs a page ago which is how we started this conversation. They are a waste of money, instead will become a liability against kind of enemies Iran is facing just like what happened in Praying Mantis. Same resources should have been or should be directed towards finishing Besat class or enlarging Fatehs to Fateh II with attack capability. 32 Surface vessels combined cant do for IRIN+IRGCN what a group of 10-12 attack submarines can accomplish to scare enemy. They are well within Iranian capabilities to make as well.

While I agree Mowj corvettes are useless in modern warfare in front a medium power they're useful. They're training crews, officers and testing engines, equipment and weaponry. They're useful for escorting tankers and others HVT in today times. Even in front of the US Navy as you were told It is useful a gray warship. If you sink them (something nobody can avoid in the middle of the ocean), It is a casus belli and you can go directly to target whatever US Navy warship or other targets inside of a anti ship ballistic missile.