PAF J-10CE News, Updates and Discussion

[AeronautIR]

And more importantly what weapons were used by PAF? Cm400akg used only for s400, other than that which sow?

Loitering Munitions and rockets.

 

[AeronautIR]

What did we hit 34 targets with than?.
Or the number is for combined strikes by PA and PAF?.

Yes, it is combined.

 

[hasssanali8998]

Though it will be completed by 2030 in my opinion

that is too optimistic , full scale production hasn't even begun yet Chinese will fill their orders first , even if they are available i say wait a few years and let the Chinese iron out the kinks in a new platform

 

[maxpane]

It is for J-10, don't know about J-35. Though it will be completed by 2030 in my opinion.

are we only want 40 or numbers would grow?

 

[AeronautIR]

are we only want 40 or numbers would grow?

Not sure about the future but for now this is the plan. After a couple of years, a decision for 3rd J-10C sqn may or may not be taken. I think it will depend on progress of PFX and what is its status by 2027.

 

[AeronautIR]

that is too optimistic , full scale production hasn't even begun yet Chinese will fill their orders first , even if they are available i say wait a few years and let the Chinese iron out the kinks in a new platform

Actually, optimistic is 2028. Shenyang's 2nd production line in 2026 will ensure a production capacity of around 100 J-35 by 2027. So 2030 seems like a realistic timeline to me.

 

[hasssanali8998]

100 J-35 by 2027.

it will take years to reach that number just like it did with j20

 

[AeronautIR]

it will take years to reach that number just like it did with j20

Alright then, guess we will have to wait... I think J-20's experience will ensure that Shenyang achieves this intended target.

 

[Ibbi32]

that is too optimistic , full scale production hasn't even begun yet Chinese will fill their orders first , even if they are available i say wait a few years and let the Chinese iron out the kinks in a new platform

Arent chinese aiming for IOC in 2027 trying to buy them before they have even achieved operational capability in china is really just dumb and not going to happen because the PLAN desperately needs the first 50 or so naval variants for their own carriers and after that both PLAN and PLAAF need to equip their first landbased brigades. Optimistically id say that only after their first 150 or so Chinese requirement fighters are built will they entertain building PAF orders so i dont expect induction before 2030 unless something drastic really does happen

 

[PakShaheen_79]

You missed my point about economy. The deterence you want is not possible till we match them in resources.
I disagree that Indians hit our bases knowing we can't hit them. If you don't believe CAS, DCAS(O), ACM (R) Sohail Aman etc., upto you. We dealt more damage to them and I am not debating satellite photos again.

Well, it can or at least it could have made Indian decision to use ALCM a lot difficult had we put our own ALCM in active service. IAF had not only Brahmos advantage but SCLAP, Spice, Hammer etc. IAF is already in process of getting next variants of these or more advanced A2G weapons. OTOH, PAF relied on CM-400AKG and the decision to use them also came very late in the war after taking multiple hits by IAF. From a realist point of view, this shows both lack of capability and will.
You have all the right to disagree with me on everything and I respect that. All the people you mentioned are pretty much PAF that hasn't backed its claims with any sort of BDA. I am also not going to debate satellite photos because we simply don't have them.

 

[AeronautIR]

Well, it can or at least it could have made Indian decision to use ALCM a lot difficult had we put our own ALCM in active service. IAF had not only Brahmos advantage but SCLAP, Spice, Hammer etc. IAF is already in process of getting next variants of these or more advanced A2G weapons. OTOH, PAF relied on CM-400AKG and the decision to use them also came very late in the war after taking multiple hits by IAF. From a realist point of view, this shows both lack of capability and will.
You have all the right to disagree with me on everything and I respect that. All the people you mentioned are pretty much PAF that hasn't backed its claims with any sort of BDA. I am also not going to debate satellite photos because we simply don't have them.

You have stated some facts wrong before too. So please don't mind but I think you are looking at it the wrong way.
This doesn't show lack of capability or will unless you actually believe that there was no damage on Indian side. That is the core issue.
If you believe the PAF claims, this means that we dealt more damage without using higher end weapons.
India showed its hand and even then couldn't destroy any PAF asset except optics and false claims by showing satellite photos of PAF bases.

You will still believe whatever you want without satellite imagery from our side, but I am not worried about India because I didn't have to use cruise missiles to force a cease fire.

 

[Michael]

Arent chinese aiming for IOC in 2027 trying to buy them before they have even achieved operational capability in china is really just dumb and not going to happen because the PLAN desperately needs the first 50 or so naval variants for their own carriers and after that both PLAN and PLAAF need to equip their first landbased brigades. Optimistically id say that only after their first 150 or so Chinese requirement fighters are built will they entertain building PAF orders so i dont expect induction before 2030 unless something drastic really does happen

There are some misunderstandings in your points.
1. The current J-35 naval version is a transitional version (the official version has not yet made its maiden flight). Therefore, SAC will not mass-produce the current version. They only need to produce dozens of units to meet current requirements.
2. The J-35A is the official version for the PLAAF. However, the PLAAF's need for it is not urgent, and the required quantity is not large.
3. The FC-31/J-35 project was positioned from the outset to primarily serve the export market. More accurately, it is an export product that was later adapted for domestic use. This is completely different from any other Chinese fighter jet. Therefore, its export efforts will begin much earlier.
4. The FC-31/J-35 made its maiden flight in 2012 and has undergone several major modifications since then. Many of its avionics technologies are directly derived from the mature technologies of the J-20 series fighter jets. Therefore, it does not require extensive verification testing.
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It is expected that the production line for the J-35 series fighter jets (including the production lines for various subsystems) will be fully completed and accepted before the Chinese New Year in 2026; it will undergo small-scale trial production in 2026; and officially enter mass production in 2027.

For further in-depth discussion, please go to the relevant thread. This thread discusses the PAF's J-10CE.

 

[东风夜放花千树]

Actually, optimistic is 2028. Shenyang's 2nd production line in 2026 will ensure a production capacity of around 100 J-35 by 2027. So 2030 seems like a realistic timeline to me.

The J-35 program plans to produce four models: a carrier-based model, an Air Force model, a two-seat model, and an export model.

Currently, only the carrier-based and Air Force models exist, and all production capacity must be allocated to the Chinese military.

My friend, as you know, China needs to strengthen its military presence in the South China Sea. Our enemies are not only Japan and Taiwan Province.

If Pakistan does not face a security threat, such as India acquiring the SU-57 or F-35, I expect Pakistan will not receive this aircraft within five years. There are reports that China has already started building its fourth aircraft carrier.

 

[PakShaheen_79]

You have stated some facts wrong before too. So please don't mind but I think you are looking at it the wrong way.
This doesn't show lack of capability or will unless you actually believe that there was no damage on Indian side. That is the core issue.
If you believe the PAF claims, this means that we dealt more damage without using higher end weapons.
India showed its hand and even then couldn't destroy any PAF asset except optics and false claims by showing satellite photos of PAF bases.

You will still believe whatever you want without satellite imagery from our side, but I am not worried about India because I didn't have to use cruise missiles to force a cease fire.

It is really funny that enemy has satellite images for its false claims and we have NOTHING for our truth.
Case Closed. No more discussion on May conflict between us. We both have our own truths.
PS: It is not about believing someone; It is about maintaining identical level of verfication and confirmation baise about both sides. No IR theory runs on believe me. We will see how both nations take their decisions and what unfolds in future. Till then, have a nice day.

 

[studsmart]

The J-35 program plans to produce four models: a carrier-based model, an Air Force model, a two-seat model, and an export model.

Currently, only the carrier-based and Air Force models exist, and all production capacity must be allocated to the Chinese military.

My friend, as you know, China needs to strengthen its military presence in the South China Sea. Our enemies are not only Japan and Taiwan Province.

If Pakistan does not face a security threat, such as India acquiring the SU-57 or F-35, I expect Pakistan will not receive this aircraft within five years. There are reports that China has already started building its fourth aircraft carrier.

based on my information, PAF is inline to get the J35 sooner than 5 years