Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[falcon34]

You are grasping at straws, my man. Go out, get some sunshine, and give it a rest.

It's a logical conclusion, the rest is up you.

 

[falcon34]

You think they didn’t try? They must have tried and easily obtained any imagery they wanted.

It all went quiet since there was noting to show. Then they started propagating alternate theories for not showing the proof. At time and place of our choosing. What crap?

Most sane ones have already accepted it and I am sure that the military professionals are already at work to plug the loopholes in this regard. They are good learners and fast one too. Their procurement cycle is also much faster.

Fanboys are still clutching at the straws and trying to find even one small scarp to try and create some damage.

Look I've tried the best one I got was 2 months, which I knew very well, it was waste of money, because indians would have cleared the debris anyways and the resolution is a problem too.
Had given up until @Panzerkiel dropped the bombshell about Subroto park, out of curiosity I went to Google earth and saw the most hilarious joke ever, the entire has its sate imagery updated to May 17 2025, expect those 10 buildings, the question is why?, why the fk they updated the entire expect those 10 buildings why?.
Just give me one logical answer why the fk did Google not update the imagery of those 10 buildings why, you lot can claim mere shadows as a proof of strike whilst we have imagery missing for 10 buildings whilst everything around it has updated to may 17 and yet u still dismiss it.
You lot are delusional and screwed in head and I thank God for we have an enemy like you keep living in delusions but the reality is we struck the very heart of your capital and evidence is right infront and you still can't see it.

 

[falcon34]

were you actually just messing with us or is it real?? lol

Real ha bhi ak bar Subroto park ki satellite imagery check karo, everything is updated to 17 may expect 10 buildings, hilarious.

 

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[LeGenD]

1 question that is still unanswered, why didnt we see any debris from IAF AAM in Pakistan territory ? did they not fire a single AAM towards Pakistan? we know some PL-15's missed their marks and Indians found their debri's.

There is the following example:

Remains of Indian S-400 missile found in Pakistan

Pakistan claims that its long-range air defense system intercepted an Indian S-400 missile over its territory. According to statements circulating in Pakistani defense circles, the missile was a 40N6E, the longest-range interceptor deployed with India’s Russian-made S-400 Triumf air defense

defence-blog.com

 

[TAC]

I don’t usually post here because most of what I see feels disconnected from reality. People are living in false pictures sold by politicians, with both sides claiming, “We won” or “No, we won."

The truth is simpler: no one really won. Both sides gained a few things and lost a few things. Both sides also exposed new vulnerabilities.

I’m sharing this video because I agree with what he’s saying. I won’t be joining any further discussion or debate. Thanks.

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Sure sure, Indian cope line ‘nobody really won’ but simple optics of so many top IAF jets getting smashed in your own airspace without apparantly even getting a shot off are difficult to live down, no? Your clown AFC’s belated and comical claims are only useful for those Indians gullible and / or desperate enough. Equally Amusing to see Indians on this forum scratching around for pics of odd runway craters & asking ‘what if’ there had been a lot more of those craters in some equally desperate attempt to mitigate those powerful optics. All I can advise is ‘Dube Maro’

 

[TAC]

You think they didn’t try? They must have tried and easily obtained any imagery they wanted.

It all went quiet since there was noting to show. Then they started propagating alternate theories for not showing the proof. At time and place of our choosing. What crap?

Most sane ones have already accepted it and I am sure that the military professionals are already at work to plug the loopholes in this regard. They are good learners and fast one too. Their procurement cycle is also much faster.

Fanboys are still clutching at the straws and trying to find even one small scarp to try and create some damage.

Why would they be so desperate to ‘create some damage’ when they already beat the living snot out of IAF in their own airspace? Isn’t it more true that after that public humiliation it is Indians that are desperate to ‘create some damage’. Isn’t that reflected in your clown AFC’s belated / comical claims and also on ample display on this forum. Eg. ‘What if’ there had been a lot more runway craters??

 

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PUNDIT(56 INCHED) VS SYED
Best of your drama... To one shot of conviction

 

[Master Chief]

Why would they be so desperate to ‘create some damage’ when they already beat the living snot out of IAF in their own airspace? Isn’t it more true that after that public humiliation it is Indians that are desperate to ‘create some damage’. Isn’t that reflected in your clown AFC’s belated / comical claims and also on ample display on this forum. Eg. ‘What if’ there had been a lot more runway craters??

Gotta love it when the usual suspects quietly shift the goalposts to "what Rafales?"

 

[Oscar]

F4??? it was only F1 and even F2 is not confirmed yet. from confirmation i mean visual evidence?

A Faux pax in writing - I meant the F1 - ballistic.
The whole renaming bit gets me confused on and off.

 

[Oscar]

You infer too many scenarios from some off the bat statements ....... let's take your deterrence thingy and see how it works.....there are 3 conventional and one unconventional deterrence .....1 ) air force... Pakistan proved it's superiority.....2 ) navy .... untested , Pakistan wasn't going to fight India in blue waters where India has an edge . In the Persian gulf region Pakistan has an overwhelming edge......3 ) land....it will be a ding dong war . No country has an overwhelming edge.....4 ) cyber war.... Pakistan has proved it's worth...........Now , tell me where do your doubts of deterrence come from ?

You took a complex subject and tried to oversimplify it.

Deterrence means the cost of action is too high to undertake what is intended. Whatever action is being construed is subjective?

When there are multiple contexts to that statement which you have also subverted -then what is there to tell you?

 

[Oscar]

If spice was spoofed and alan warnes article claims Indians used spice on nur khan raid why was that unable to be stopped. Surely nur khan has sizable kinetic and non kinetic kill mechanisms right?

Could be a variety of factors.
Could be spoofing was inffective - it is not perfect.
Could be that it was not in play - spoof emitters themselves could be targets of anti emission weapons and triangulation.

Could also be that Spice was launched in a mode that allowed its seeker to pick out the target in question. Spice has a CCD and IR seeker backed up by GPS/INS.

However, the question asked should not be why the SPICE hit but that what launch platform made it to 100km from Nur Khan? (If it was Spice 1000)
Which begs the question - was it SPICE as claimed by PAF or did someone give a misquote?
@side-winder

 

[Oscar]

I think to have a reasonable discussion on Deterrence, it has to be operationally defined for the context of the discussion. The back and forth b/w the members has been because of their individual take on what deterrence mean. One side is taking it as an "absolute military superiority" (where India can never launch a strike at us) while the other side is taking it as an "attrition penalty" (where India can launch a strike but can't establish operational advantage).



IMPO (and admittedly a narrow one) - India probably thought their platform superiority (Rafale and S-400) gave them sufficient operational advantage to pick a conflict with Pakistan and continue to maintain operational advantage. It is evident from their tactics post May 7 (esp night of May 9/10) how they didn't have a contingency plan once their platform dependent bubble bursted. In an ideal timeline, India wouldn't have felt the need to use CMs (that was their last tier of weapons system below a nuclear threshold and a full-scale war).

Well then it goes against the word "deter" but that is point isnt it?

If I see the window to hit you - whether it is with all my might or sharpshooting - I am not deterred from aggression but I am deterred from being callous and foolhardy in how i execute it.

What is interesting is that post May 7th they have been furiously trying to plug gaps with new and existing equipment especially in the EW domain however I am not sure undertaking the one off academic and practical exercise on a large scale "validates" fighting concepts.

These are verified over multiple large scale and smaller scale engagements, repeated drills and wargaming. Perhaps they are undertaking this and so the deterrence(for the lack of the better term) drops again for them.

 

[Oscar]

and regarding the post battle assessment of hard kills? HQ16 and 9 both had kills?

And how the heck did the bholari one go through?

Considering it missed off center of the hanger, either it was partially spoofed or miss judged based on expected vector?

Yes, but the hard kills werent all successful AFAIK.

Just as not every PL-15 had an impact.

Mistakes were made - and the Bholari one getting through also could be a case of either more launches or Indian noticing a pattern in surveillance which may have caused that launch to be totally missed(unlikely).

But - mistakes were made.
Back in 71 you lost an entire flight of F-86s because someone decided to park fully armed aircraft all in the open. In Kamra incident you had multiple intel warnings but these were not executed on other than cursory additional checks.
In Mianwali you had the same multiple warnings but failed to secure the area because the initial "alerts" found nothing out of the ordinary.
Lastly, on those base defense aspects - the guards are more incentivized to catch sons of wing commanders with their girlfriends or friends group lollygagging at night rather than terrorists. Saying this from both personal experience and also rather sobering news on how terrorist assets were allowed to stroll into E-9 a few times for intel because the security did not bother with day laborers. Thankfully that never materialized because someone culled the package well before entry into ISB and caught what could have been a disaster at NDU.

So applying the same aspect to Bholari - it also possible that someone in the system simply was caught snoozing.

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

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The F1 doesn't reach that far, and I guess the F2 probably doesn't either? Now the question is, then what we have used to hit Subroto Park Air Force Station from such a long distance on May 10? and if one check the distances, this part is way out of range from the Pakistan border for the F1, and most likely even for the F2, I guess.

"Subroto Park" is home to the HQ Western Air Command.

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