PAF J-10CE News, Updates and Discussion

[AeronautIR]

IMO there is also some propaganda from our sides but not same level as Indian. Pakistan is also including strikes thay were warning shots where rockets were intentionally made to land in vicinity of the target. Alot of them were made to fall in wooded area to avoid casualties and to de-escalate. If Pakistani rockets fell inside india without being intercepted then that means their AD failed to achive 100% success as claimed by majority of Indians.
Had Pakistan not struck S400 radar then India won air to surface surface to Surface warfare by a HUGE margin. But of course yet again PAF dominated the sky with 6-0 record.

If a suicide drone is flying over Delhi and then we drop it over uninhabited area instead of Amit Shah's house, I will include it in 34.

 

[Jango]

The small percentage of people who are in the formal economy and have salaried jobs, usually in the large urban centres, whereas most of the population don't.

Everyone and their mother in Pakistan pays exorbitant tax in one way or another.

Energy, fuel surcharges, GST, the government of Pakistan is leeching you dry with indirect taxation. Just pick up your next energy bill and look how many surcharges there are in one way or another.

Actually your post serves as a great reminder of why governments choose to suck your money with these indirect taxes, so that you can say 'Nobody other than salaried class pays taxes'.

Sorry for off topic post gentlemen, my first and only one on the topic.

 

[Corax]

Everyone and their mother in Pakistan pays exorbitant tax in one way or another.

Energy, fuel surcharges, GST, the government of Pakistan is leeching you dry with indirect taxation. Just pick up your next energy bill and look how many surcharges there are in one way or another.

Actually your post serves as a great reminder of why governments choose to suck your money with these indirect taxes, so that you can say 'Nobody other than salaried class pays taxes'.

Sorry for off topic post gentlemen, my first and only one on the topic.

I was mostly referring to income tax, but yeah I agree with your point.

 

[东风夜放花千树]

I dont think there is an urgent need for F-35. Do you?

My friend, you are rational. Pakistan already has air superiority. Right now, no country can pose a threat to Pakistan. Russia will not attack Pakistan, and the United States will not attack Pakistan either, unless the United States wants to die.

Let me make it clearer: countries with F-35 fighter jets cannot threaten Pakistan. This assumption is based on the fact that Egypt has deployed HQ-9 air defense systems to monitor all of Israel, tracking all aircraft takeoffs, including F-35s. Pakistan has similar equipment as well.

 

[Gripen9]

But being from the QA bg yourself - why would you need an example on the ground besides eval in the operating environment to send feedback?

You have all the specifications to create the needful infrastructure. Similar to the Z-10ME in house where the first 3 Z-10 base models outlined the serious deficiencies in the system which were then updated for ME. That single example now is undergoing further validation before the full batch is ordered for delivery.

For that matter the PAF personnel have been advising already what they need(based on what they have access to). The J-10Cs were obviously a super sq to help create a OCU and offset some to CCS - and what’s been learned from May 25 is being retroactively requested for the next batch.

And they while they single handedly did hold their own there were fallbacks that could have held with expected losses.

PAF had done the same with the initial F-16 acquisition. It had 8 B models from a total of 40. The idea was to build up a strong strength in pilots and solidify operational tactics before the next batch was to be ordered. Unfortunately the follow ups were mucked up.

 

[东风夜放花千树]

PAF had done the same with the initial F-16 acquisition. It had 8 B models from a total of 40. The idea was to build up a string strength in pilots before the next batch was to be ordered. Unfortunately the follow ups were mucked up.

My friend, the subsequent reasons are not Pakistan's issue. The United States, like India, frequently adjusts its strategies.

 

[Starlord]

Why are we talking about Tax and Aunty Shabana Committee's and BC's in J-10CE thread?

 

[puttputt]

If only it was that simple... the indirect taxes are not even a fraction of the total tax theft... there is a reason we bought J-10C with loan and that too only 20... But anyone can always petition their MNA or some senator for these issues, or involve courts... Armed forces are under no obligation to justify any allegations made by an individual, taxpayer or not.

Many of us conveniently blame everything on corruption by elite. All our discussions here about PAF future plans mean nothing if there is not enough money to implement them.

Plans for 1,2 or 3 J-10C squadrons will just be a chit chat topic without resources.

The armed forces leadership has involved itself in the country's political system, bypassing the wall (of elected officials) between it and citizens, thereby inviting scrutiny of its procurement by taxpaying citizens.

And yes, we should absolutely blame everything on the corruption of the elite. It's that corruption that causes our economy to stagnate and limits our actual tax revenue collection to poor and middle class, resulting in a minimal pool of funds that prevents us from more procurement.

 

[Toxic]

The armed forces leadership has involved itself in the country's political system, bypassing the wall (of elected officials) between it and citizens, thereby inviting scrutiny of its procurement by taxpaying citizens.

And yes, we should absolutely blame everything on the corruption of the elite. It's that corruption that causes our economy to stagnate and limits our actual tax revenue collection to poor and middle class, resulting in a minimal pool of funds that prevents us from more procurement.

Also Taxpayer is the one taking burden of those loans that the military purchases equipment with, also the petition MNA and courts part is actually hilarious in the context of this country it might even put you in danger.

 

[AeronautIR]

The armed forces leadership has involved itself in the country's political system, bypassing the wall (of elected officials) between it and citizens, thereby inviting scrutiny of its procurement by taxpaying citizens.

And yes, we should absolutely blame everything on the corruption of the elite. It's that corruption that causes our economy to stagnate and limits our actual tax revenue collection to poor and middle class, resulting in a minimal pool of funds that prevents us from more procurement.

Alright then. Continue the blame game. A problem can't be solved it root cause is wrongly identified.

It's an exercise in futility practically but good catharsis by letting out inner frustrations.

And unless you have the authority to speak for all the taxpaying citizens, let's get off the high horse and talk about airpower. It is quite condescending because my tax returns may be far more accurate than many of my fellow countrymen, but you don't see me asking every government servant to answer my personal questions. So let's stick to the topic of the thread.

 

[AeronautIR]

Also Taxpayer is the one taking burden of those loans that the military purchases equipment with, also the petition MNA and courts part is actually hilarious in the context of this country it might even put you in danger.

Now I am confused. Because for me, it is more hilarious that members are expecting services chiefs to answer their questions and show them imagery of proof of hits because they pay taxes.

If it is that dangerous, just leave it. Otherwise, call a spade a spade. After all, politicians and judges are also using the tax money.

 

[Toxic]

Now I am confused. Because for me, it is more hilarious that members are expecting services chiefs to answer their questions and show them imagery of proof of hits because they pay taxes.

If it is that dangerous, just leave it. Otherwise, call a spade a spade. After all, politicians and judges are also using the tax money.

Yes? Or do you not consider the armed forces a PubIic service, A public service is supposed disclose where public money is being spent, its literally what many other militaries do, the Indian military publicly showcased satellite photos of their hits, actually I want to ask you something, If you think the military has satellite of photos of damages to Indian Airbases then why do you think they are keeping it a secret?

 

[puttputt]

Alright then. Continue the blame game. A problem can't be solved it root cause is wrongly identified.

It's an exercise in futility practically but good catharsis by letting out inner frustrations.

And unless you have the authority to speak for all the taxpaying citizens, let's get off the high horse and talk about airpower. It is quite condescending because my tax returns may be far more accurate than many of my fellow countrymen, but you don't see me asking every government servant to answer my personal questions. So let's stick to the topic of the thread.

لَا حَوْلَ وَلَا قُوَّةَ إِلَّا بِٱللَّٰهِ​

The Sahaba (RA) questioned the second Caliph, Omar ibn al-Khattab (RA), on why he had an extra cloak, or why he (RA) rescinded the stipend given to mothers, or why he (RA) folded newly conquered land instead of allocating it to the soldiers, and so on. And Umar (RA) responded to every single one, either by showing his justifications from evidence, or (when he was incorrect) by changing his policies.

Accountability runs in the veins of Muslims, so don't be surprised that when Muslims (given the agency that the Pakistani elites deny them) demand answers to questions about their public affairs.

The issue at hand isn't about who has the authority, but about applying the concept of ٱلْأَمْرُ بِٱلْمَعْرُوفِ وَٱلنَّهْيُ عَنِ ٱلْمُنْكَرِ (i.e. enjoining the good and forbidding the evil). Believe it or not, this idea isn't limited to the height of your pants or length of your beard, but on matters of public affairs, such as where the nation's money is being spent, whether it's being spent well, and what the returns on that expenditure.

This is how strong and prosperous societies function, and the elites of said societies know to respect it. The ones "venting" here want to see a Pakistan that not only rivals India, but mops the floor with India in every single domain, from science to sports to everything. For that, we need to establish standards, and the most crucial one is accountability of one's leaders, be it military, political, bureaucratic, or judicial.

Now I am confused. Because for me, it is more hilarious that members are expecting services chiefs to answer their questions and show them imagery of proof of hits because they pay taxes.

If it is that dangerous, just leave it. Otherwise, call a spade a spade. After all, politicians and judges are also using the tax money.

We are expecting the evidence because the service chiefs themselves made the claim. Do you have no understanding of the basic concepts of "proof" or "evidence?" When one makes a claim, they should provide the evidence to substantiate it; otherwise, it is a baseless claim.

We "venting" lot would prefer our service chiefs to provide evidence so that they do not make themselves and Pakistan a laughing stock in front of the world.

 

[Ak01]

لَا حَوْلَ وَلَا قُوَّةَ إِلَّا بِٱللَّٰهِ​

The Sahaba (RA) questioned the second Caliph, Omar ibn al-Khattab (RA), on why he had an extra cloak, or why he (RA) rescinded the stipend given to mothers, or why he (RA) folded newly conquered land instead of allocating it to the soldiers, and so on. And Umar (RA) responded to every single one, either by showing his justifications from evidence, or (when he was incorrect) by changing his policies.

Accountability runs in the veins of Muslims, so don't be surprised that when Muslims (given the agency that the Pakistani elites deny them) demand answers to questions about their public affairs.

The issue at hand isn't about who has the authority, but about applying the concept of ٱلْأَمْرُ بِٱلْمَعْرُوفِ وَٱلنَّهْيُ عَنِ ٱلْمُنْكَرِ (i.e. enjoining the good and forbidding the evil). Believe it or not, this idea isn't limited to the height of your pants or length of your beard, but on matters of public affairs, such as where the nation's money is being spent, whether it's being spent well, and what the returns on that expenditure.

This is how strong and prosperous societies function, and the elites of said societies know to respect it. The ones "venting" here want to see a Pakistan that not only rivals India, but mops the floor with India in every single domain, from science to sports to everything. For that, we need to establish standards, and the most crucial one is accountability of one's leaders, be it military, political, bureaucratic, or judicial.

We are expecting the evidence because the service chiefs themselves made the claim. Do you have no understanding of the basic concepts of "proof" or "evidence?" When one makes a claim, they should provide the evidence to substantiate it; otherwise, it is a baseless claim.

We "venting" lot would prefer our service chiefs to provide evidence so that they do not make themselves and Pakistan a laughing stock in front of the world.

bro... ur forgetting, HES seen radar tracks personally, HES seen the evidence, ACM even said "kasmeh bro we hit them"...heck, he was strapped to the cm400 that hit the S400... HECK, they even told him when, and how many J35s and J10s the PAF is buying and how theyve "built the infrastructure", that its not visible on satellite (supah dupah cloaking device on new hangars)- but no, you're not allowed to know a thing. He is superior to you mere mortals because he was flying rotary wing "fighter jets" in the PAF. Dont you dare question officers...even if you are the one putting the bread on their table...

Who are you to question the supreme authority of armed forces personnel? Do you not know to believe every word they tell you? Never question, instead, quietly hand over your tax money to pay for his driver.

 

[RAMPAGE]

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Accountability runs in the veins of Muslims