Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[Oracle]

So Pakistan hot those

I wouldn't be surprised, maybe that's why they think they shot down 6 PAF aircraft when in fact they were their own

If true then high chance iaf shutdown IFF and radar to keep silent in AIr without any electronic signal.

Which could have triggered s400 to not to identify friend and foe.

 

[hasssanali8998]

View attachment 168888View attachment 168889Not convinced by this yet. Seems like it could just be poor quality imagery. Some more years below for reference:

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common man

 

[AeronautIR]

Excitemwnt m
jqnab R 37 ,indians are starting againg. i just saw their thread on it. su 57 is the only option.i cant go in technical work against you . ye tu soraj ko chirag dikhne k braber ha . but they would do any thing to counter our offence.

Thank you for your kindness brother. But apart from technical details, let's just look at ground realities. E.g., Su-57 production rate, its induction numbers in Russian air force etc.

And of course they will try, you are absolutely right. But will they succeed? Even if India gets it, Can R-37M actually shoot a fighter jet at the claimed range of 300-400 KM?

 

[hasssanali8998]

@Panzerkiel be honest have you seen these satellite photos before

 

[Oscar]

Second one is total crap. First one doesn't look much convincing either.

Only the 2 from airbase, earlier posted, look solid so far. I hope the imagery for other bases and cantts is updated as well.

From a pure operational standpoint - I get Amristar Cantt but what of the airfield and base?
They rarely would base anything out there just because of proximity.

The MKI is a headache to forward deploy because of it's size because you have to construct HAS the size to hold a regional jet for it. Only recently have Russians begun making HAS for them - with the other exception being China.
Post 2010 India has begun working on NGHAS for MKIs since 2010 but other than Avanipur(which has about 6), Suratgarh(token 2-3).
Halwara - all corrugated steel shelters.
Sirsa ( MKI base but has 6-8 mix of quasi Expanded and token NGHAS)
Udhampur (Token NGHAS)
Jodhpur(not western command) has a more full compliment of new HAS(8) with the legacy Mig-23/27 infra left standing.
Happy to learn if


The Rafale was forward deployed to bases where they had made HAS made for Mig-29s.

Everything else they have was spec to Jaguar and Mig-21 and at the pace which they are constructing NGHAS it will take a few years before MKIs can actually scale QRAs.

For that matter, their bases have always been better built and defended especially in terms of how well they had routing(Quasi Soviet) and cover.

But in today's precision weapon timescale, that matters less than providing proper cover to jets.

So if we consider BuM and its results - it can be counted in missing the mark in many ways considering what the supposed inductions were for weapons.

 

[Lion]

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common man

I don’t see it. I understand the excitement but compare the 2022 image to 2025 and you can see all the marks present. Keep in mind they are upscaling and processing these images a lot when they are lower quality which introduces artifacts.

 

[Bilal]

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Walls still standing (bottom and right) forming shadow on collapsed structure.

 

[kimjongun]

FIROZPUR CANT - CLOSEST TO BORDER IN PUNJAB
MY OWN RESEARCHISH

imagery from 2022-fully working
imagery from 2023 -cloud cover but straight line of shed visible

imager from jun 2025
firzopur has a lot of artillery holes in building

 

[hasssanali8998]

Keep in mind they are upscaling and processing these images a lot when they are lower quality which introduces artifacts.

then u would expect similar artifacts in other images too but they are pretty regular

 

[Lion]

then u would expect similar artifacts in other images too but they are pretty regular

The older ones are all much higher quality.

 

[hasssanali8998]

The older ones are all much higher quality.

ok then lets wait till the higher quality ones get released

 

[side-winder]

From a pure operational standpoint - I get Amristar Cantt but what of the airfield and base?
They rarely would base anything out there just because of proximity.

The MKI is a headache to forward deploy because of it's size because you have to construct HAS the size to hold a regional jet for it. Only recently have Russians begun making HAS for them - with the other exception being China. View attachment 168867
Post 2010 India has begun working on NGHAS for MKIs since 2010 but other than Avanipur(which has about 6), Suratgarh(token 2-3).
Halwara - all corrugated steel shelters.
Sirsa ( MKI base but has 6-8 mix of quasi Expanded and token NGHAS)
Udhampur (Token NGHAS)
Jodhpur(not western command) has a more full compliment of new HAS(8) with the legacy Mig-23/27 infra left standing.
Happy to learn if


The Rafale was forward deployed to bases where they had made HAS made for Mig-29s.

Everything else they have was spec to Jaguar and Mig-21 and at the pace which they are constructing NGHAS it will take a few years before MKIs can actually scale QRAs.

For that matter, their bases have always been better built and defended especially in terms of how well they had routing(Quasi Soviet) and cover.

But in today's precision weapon timescale, that matters less than providing proper cover to jets.

So if we consider BuM and its results - it can be counted in missing the mark in many ways considering what the supposed inductions were for weapons.

Yes - sort of an FOB. With some support infrastructure of IAF being there.

I don't think there were any aircrafts there during may conflict - much like our Sukkur.

 

[AeronautIR]

They only need to resolve their integration and procurement issues. And ofcourse they need to stop underestimating PAF. They get a new surprise every time and then narratives are spinned from "ROEs restrictions" to "we didn't know PL-15's range".

But basically it's the first two things which i highlighted above.

Easier said than done. The procurement is a mess due to bureaucratic red tape and political meddling. Without proper planned procurement, integration becomes much nore difficult.

Our smaller size maybe a blessing as it keeps us on toes to counter a much bigger adversary. Their overconfidence and chest thumping attitude leads to your point of them underestimating PAF. Their delusions of grandeur are fueled by Bollywood and propaganda machinery.

I visited Defence Forum Bharat once and they were conquering Chinese territory there. The PLAAF was at disadvantage because of high altitude bases in Tibet, so IAF had upper hand in a potential conflict over Arunachal/Zangnan. I tried to do an objective debate with their analysts in a Twitter space for some time. Had to block them because the only thing they had was abusive language.

 

[Lion]

The only two I’m convinced of so far. The rest are all up for debate. Just because a structures roof looks darker or has lines doesn’t meant it’s collapsed. Look closer at historical imagery and you’ll see those same lines and divisions between where the colors are changing in older imagery too, it suggests different materials, maybe renovations and repairs etc which react differently to sat imagery.

 

[hasssanali8998]

maybe renovations and repairs etc which react differently to sat imagery.

convenient timing .