Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[Salza]

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He's a literal indian boot licking bot
Why would India be removing roofing from fully intact site and that too after May Conflict

Apart from the first two where he’s bullshitting - I feel he is correct about the others.

He also conveniently left out number 4 and 8 from the thread I posted because he probably has no way to lie about them.

He’s a genuine bootlicker but no better or worse than the likes of Irves - they could be a such good source but they always throw in Misinformation or straight up stupidity into their posts and act like they have some secretive links Or were holding onto these images for months when they’re literally just using Google earth, the LARP is so cringeworthy. It ruins their credibility.

 

[maxpane]

Fauj ur awam aik

Next engagement will be on Arabian sea most likely if the clash happens in 1-2 years time since this is where they are slightly strong and it will take 3-4 years intergrate 90% of the stuff which PAF has done so they will try to avoid PAF for now. Second most likely scenario is missile exhanges.

Challenge is still here . its always paf that has to perform wether in sea or on mountain. still paf has to plan altogether

 

[Salza]

New year gift : Fateh missile supremacy over Indian air bases. Expecting more images from other Indian bases.

 

[Vkdindian1]

Both India and Pakistan have access to satellites and have seen each other's damages with their own sats but have not released pictures from their sats due to secrecy. They will only release images from public domain sats.

I disagree with this from capability point of view. India has that capability but Pakistan doesn’t. It has to rely on third parties in this regard.

The images for Pakistan were released in the open domain by private companies and I agree that own satellite images may not be revealed.

Private or third party vendors exist in ample numbers for both the nations to get hold of all the images they wanted.

These images aren’t so expensive or unavailable to anyone that they wouldn’t have been obtained by ISPR. Only plausible reason for them to not release them is lack of damage this side. Some people are trying to portray restraint as the reason. Narrative of getting better India is bigger than anything else.

The problem with the fanboy brigade (not you) is that they aren’t ready to accept the fact that Fatah and other weapons fired at India might have failed to achieve the desired results. Or Indian AD might have done its job MOSTLY. They keep coming up with new tricks everyday to convince each other of things that don’t seem the exist.

 

[Salza]

I disagree with this from capability point of view. India has that capability but Pakistan doesn’t. It has to rely on third parties in this regard.

The images for Pakistan were released in the open domain by private companies and I agree that own satellite images may not be revealed.

Private or third party vendors exist in ample numbers for both the nations to get hold of all the images they wanted.

These images aren’t so expensive or unavailable to anyone that they wouldn’t have been obtained by ISPR. Only plausible reason for them to not release them is lack of damage this side. Some people are trying to portray restraint as the reason. Narrative of getting better India is bigger than anything else.

The problem with the fanboy brigade (not you) is that they aren’t ready to accept the fact that Fatah and other weapons fired at India might have failed to achieve the desired results. Or Indian AD might have done its job MOSTLY. They keep coming up with new tricks everyday to convince each other of things that don’t seem the exist.

Define desired results ? Did Indian missiles achived any desired result ? For strategic hit like on S400 radar unit, we used a specialized missile. You are deliberately igoring just released images which resulted in similar destruction what your missiles did on some of our bases.

 

[safriz]

The IAf is doing a "Right up our nostrils" exercise.
This is always a treasure trove of ELINT and SIGINT for Pakistan. Thats how PAF knows their jets down to the serial numbers.
Who needs "Dhrurander" when IAF comes right up to our doorstep to shower upon us all the electronic intelligence we need

 

[flyingorca]

I disagree with this from capability point of view. India has that capability but Pakistan doesn’t. It has to rely on third parties in this regard.

The images for Pakistan were released in the open domain by private companies and I agree that own satellite images may not be revealed.

Private or third party vendors exist in ample numbers for both the nations to get hold of all the images they wanted.

These images aren’t so expensive or unavailable to anyone that they wouldn’t have been obtained by ISPR. Only plausible reason for them to not release them is lack of damage this side. Some people are trying to portray restraint as the reason. Narrative of getting better India is bigger than anything else.

The problem with the fanboy brigade (not you) is that they aren’t ready to accept the fact that Fatah and other weapons fired at India might have failed to achieve the desired results. Or Indian AD might have done its job MOSTLY. They keep coming up with new tricks everyday to convince each other of things that don’t seem the exist.

Ok then why hasn't Indian military able to release sat pictures of PAF aircraft wreckages that India claims were shot down or destroyed on ground? What about the C130 wreckage that got hit or the Saab2000s?

 

[Vkdindian1]

Ok then why hasn't Indian military able to release sat pictures of PAF aircraft wreckages that India claims were shot down or destroyed on ground? What about the C130 wreckage that got hit or the Saab2000s?

Because wreckage doesn’t exist. They need to produce proof which they haven’t done and similar standards apply to them.

 

[side-winder]

The problem with the fanboy brigade (not you) is that they aren’t ready to accept the fact that Fatah and other weapons fired at India might have failed to achieve the desired results. Or Indian AD might have done its job MOSTLY. They keep coming up with new tricks everyday to convince each other of things that don’t seem the exist.

Oky. Yes, the Fatah and other weapons may have failed to achieve the desired results. However, regarding the bold part above, let's take a look at some statistics which are confirmed till date.

Hits on PAF bases / facilities on 10th : around 15 out of about 35-40 launched (already discussed).

Now if we talk about Indian bases / facilities.

1. Adampur ( 02 impacts atleast as accepted by IAF CAS)
2. Udhampur (02 impacts atleast - Ref MEA presser)
3. Pathankot ( 01 impact atleast - Ref MEA presser)
4. Bhuj (02 impacts atleast - Ref IAF CAS)
5. Sri Nagar (01 impact at least - MEA Presser)
6. Awantipur (01 impact atleast - MEA presser)
7. Amritsar (like it or not atleast 02 hits are very much confirmed from the imagery available now).

So - what does it make up? That's atleast 11 impacts which can be confirmed. Now we don't have the exact number of projectiles fired through official sources so you can't really calculate the interception rate. (Unlike in case of Pakistan).

Now the only question is regarding the accuracy - whether the weapons hit something significant or not - IAF CAS has himself acknowledged the accuracy of CM400s - however, India can still keep downplaying for others. Then there is this possibility of "spoofing" from indian AD to make the pakistani projectiles miss.

Now, these both factors can not be determined without availability of the imagery. So let's see if more imagery is revealed through Open Source.

So perhaps - indian AD didn't do THAT much well considering the amount of money spent and less sophiscated weapons used by Pakistan compared to BrahMos / SCALP - atleast with respect to the hard kills - the question about soft kills can only be answered after availability of Imagery.

 

[Salza]

Ok then why hasn't Indian military able to release sat pictures of PAF aircraft wreckages that India claims were shot down or destroyed on ground? What about the C130 wreckage that got hit or the Saab2000s?

He agrees that IAF didnt shot down any PAF jet but he ignores Pakistani missile strikes altogether although now we have some images from Arimstar base. And more images from other places may be released as well. Ofcourse Indian missiles and Pakistani strikes doesn't mean it took out entire base on either side as the strikes by both the sides were more a warning and a symbolic shots.

 

[falcon34]

Because wreckage doesn’t exist. They need to produce proof which they haven’t done and similar standards apply to them.

Cope!!!
Now I know why we never released sat imagery, indians are making a clown of themselves google is proving pak right.

 

[falcon34]

Apart from the first two where he’s bullshitting - I feel he is correct about the others.

He also conveniently left out number 4 and 8 from the thread I posted because he probably has no way to lie about them.

He’s a genuine bootlicker but no better or worse than the likes of Irves - they could be a such good source but they always throw in Misinformation or straight up stupidity into their posts and act like they have some secretive links Or were holding onto these images for months when they’re literally just using Google earth, the LARP is so cringeworthy. It ruins their credibility.

The thread you posted?.
Link it kindly

 

[hasssanali8998]

The thread you posted?.
Link it kindly

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[Vkdindian1]

Oky. Yes, the Fatah and other weapons may have failed to achieve the desired results. However, regarding the bold part above, let's take a look at some statistics which are confirmed till date.

Hits on PAF bases / facilities on 10th : around 15 out of about 35-40 launched (already discussed).

Now if we talk about Indian bases / facilities.

1. Adampur ( 02 impacts atleast as accepted by IAF CAS)
2. Udhampur (02 impacts atleast - Ref MEA presser)
3. Pathankot ( 01 impact atleast - Ref MEA presser)
4. Bhuj (02 impacts atleast - Ref IAF CAS)
5. Sri Nagar (01 impact at least - MEA Presser)
6. Awantipur (01 impact atleast - MEA presser)
7. Amritsar (like it or not atleast 02 hits are very much confirmed from the imagery available now).

So - what does it make up? That's atleast 11 impacts which can be confirmed. Now we don't have the exact number of projectiles fired through official sources so you can't really calculate the interception rate. (Unlike in case of Pakistan).

Now the only question is regarding the accuracy - whether the weapons hit something significant or not - IAF CAS has himself acknowledged the accuracy of CM400s - however, India can still keep downplaying for others. Then there is this possibility of "spoofing" from indian AD to make the pakistani projectiles miss.

Now, these both factors can not be determined without availability of the imagery. So let's see if more imagery is revealed through Open Source.

So perhaps - indian AD didn't do THAT much well considering the amount of money spent and less sophiscated weapons used by Pakistan compared to BrahMos / SCALP - atleast with respect to the hard kills - the question about soft kills can only be answered after availability of Imagery.

IAF gets the benefit of doubt here. I am myself sceptical about such a stellar performance of Indian AD.
S400 might have got lucky that day or it was good training of the team that did the job of relocating well.

Infact I was expecting heavy damage this side considering the amount of weapons fired from across.

It is a known fact that the onus of proving success in a war lies with the one making the claim. Other side always downplays that and tries to portray least damage. Example is severe damage to a hangar at Sukkur to the extent that it has caved in. But Pakistan hasn’t accepted anything of value in that building.

So India can’t be faulted in this regard.

Individually, I am all for accepting anything that comes with proof. I was ne of the first Indian posters here who accepted the loss of four fighters. Why? Because there is irrefutable proof of that.

If adequate proof comes in regard to success of Fatah and CM400, then I have no issue in accepting it.

What I refuse to accept is unclear imagery being peddled with a specific narrative. To that extent, the imagery of Indian success is a good example of quality of images and the clarity of before and after changes to decisively accept the damage.