Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[falcon34]

IAF gets the benefit of doubt here. I am myself sceptical about such a stellar performance of Indian AD.
S400 might have got lucky that day or it was good training of the team that did the job of relocating well.

Infact I was expecting heavy damage this side considering the amount of weapons fired from across.

It is a known fact that the onus of proving success in a war lies with the one making the claim. Other side always downplays that and tries to portray least damage. Example is severe damage to a hangar at Sukkur to the extent that it has caved in. But Pakistan hasn’t accepted anything of value in that building.

So India can’t be faulted in this regard.

Individually, I am all for accepting anything that comes with proof. I was ne of the first Indian posters here who accepted the loss of four fighters. Why? Because there is irrefutable proof of that.

If adequate proof comes in regard to success of Fatah and CM400, then I have no issue in accepting it.

What I refuse to accept is unclear imagery being peddled with a specific narrative. To that extent, the imagery of Indian success is a good example of quality of images and the clarity of before and after changes to decisively accept the damage.

Your not getting clearer images than this

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[Vapnope]

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He's a literal indian boot licking bot
Why would India be removing roofing from fully intact site and that too after May Conflict

He works at maxxar and you would notice that all his images of Indian installations are grainy and from far away not like the ones he shared for pakistan. Someone gotta ask why!

 

[side-winder]

IAF gets the benefit of doubt here. I am myself sceptical about such a stellar performance of Indian AD.
S400 might have got lucky that day or it was good training of the team that did the job of relocating well.

Infact I was expecting heavy damage this side considering the amount of weapons fired from across.

It is a known fact that the onus of proving success in a war lies with the one making the claim. Other side always downplays that and tries to portray least damage. Example is severe damage to a hangar at Sukkur to the extent that it has caved in. But Pakistan hasn’t accepted anything of value in that building.

So India can’t be faulted in this regard.

Individually, I am all for accepting anything that comes with proof. I was ne of the first Indian posters here who accepted the loss of four fighters. Why? Because there is irrefutable proof of that.

If adequate proof comes in regard to success of Fatah and CM400, then I have no issue in accepting it.

What I refuse to accept is unclear imagery being peddled with a specific narrative. To that extent, the imagery of Indian success is a good example of quality of images and the clarity of before and after changes to decisively accept the damage.

Keeping the actual damage aside. Just considering the performance of AD with respect to interception.

It's clear that atleast the Hard Kill part wasn't as good as expected. Again I'll say, considering the amount of money spent viz-a-viz Pakistan's weaker AD and the sort of projectiles fired by Pakistan against the likes of BrahMos and SCALPs.

We'll see whether it was spoofing attempts from indian side or whether Pakistani projectiles lacked accuracy when more imagery is revealed.

Regarding the Sukkur, i don't know if you consider me as an ISPR paid guy. But i have been to places you cannot imagine. Here is one snapshot from my gallery from Sukkur where i was in my vehicle with double indicators - on a link between Main and Parallel strip - watching a PIA plane preparing for take off. So yes, i have seen that hangar as well and i know it was empty at that time as well.

 

[falcon34]

He works at maxxar and you would notice that all his images of Indian installations are grainy and from far away not like the ones he shared for pakistan. Someone gotta ask why!

You call these grainy

 

[Vapnope]

The images look pretty convincing ( especially the one by Irves showing a hangar badly damaged) , but I'm waiting for Damien Symon to analyze them first. He usually tends to side with the Indian narrative and ignore the Pakistani side, so I'm curious to see if he'll actually be neutral this time.

Below is some of Pakistan's claim he has denied.

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@falcon34 compare these to what he poted for bholari.

 

[Hayabusa]

IAF gets the benefit of doubt here. I am myself sceptical about such a stellar performance of Indian AD.
S400 might have got lucky that day or it was good training of the team that did the job of relocating well.

Infact I was expecting heavy damage this side considering the amount of weapons fired from across.

It is a known fact that the onus of proving success in a war lies with the one making the claim. Other side always downplays that and tries to portray least damage. Example is severe damage to a hangar at Sukkur to the extent that it has caved in. But Pakistan hasn’t accepted anything of value in that building.

So India can’t be faulted in this regard.

Individually, I am all for accepting anything that comes with proof. I was ne of the first Indian posters here who accepted the loss of four fighters. Why? Because there is irrefutable proof of that.

If adequate proof comes in regard to success of Fatah and CM400, then I have no issue in accepting it.

What I refuse to accept is unclear imagery being peddled with a specific narrative. To that extent, the imagery of Indian success is a good example of quality of images and the clarity of before and after changes to decisively accept the damage.

A few others, and I have shared our thoughts on the Amritsar imagery posted. Do let us know your thoughts as well.

 

[Hayabusa]

@falcon34 compare these to what he poted for bholari.

Damien Symons was widely touted as being neutral, and I honestly believed it too, until his response on the Amritsar imagery came out. To be clear, I know Irves spreads disinformation and I don't agree with all his damage assessments. However, the footage Symons posted is clearly downplaying the extent of the damage. I get the feeling that he uses a guise of neutrality to mask an underlying Indian bias.

Note: BTW Irves posted something so embarassing and cringey. Needs to be careful here if he wants to be known as a reliable OSINT. This is one such example of misinformation

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[kimjongun]

He literally has the INS VIKRANT as his account banner on twitter and yall expected him to be neutral?

 

[Hayabusa]

Maybe @Panzerkiel would want to verify if such attacks did take place in Amritsar?

He literally has the INS VIKRANT as his account banner on twitter and yall expected him to be neutral?

Never noticed it. Always thought it was a normal aircraft carrier. Thanks for pointing it out.

 

[kimjongun]

So what are we gonna do now?
btw Whats the brand of your microwave?

 

[falcon34]

Kinda feeling proud of what I started

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[falcon34]

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This is the most clear hit, even that damyein fk can't debunk this

 

[Hayabusa]

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This is the most clear hit, even that damyein fk can't debunk this

Yeap.

Checked it on Google maps and it's visible.

Some Indians are going around misleading by mentioning that the area is actually part of a school? Dumb enough not to understand that it's a Cantonment, meaning it literally is a military site.

This is probably another hard evidence that we have. Probably why Damien Symons is relatively quiet on countering this. He knows eventually it will be found out.

 

[Vkdindian1]

Now Damien Simon is at fault? Yes, he could be working for Indian agenda. He is doing good because he has quality stuff to peddle his narrative.

Who stopped anyone from posting images of highest quality for Indian targets and proving him wrong?

Grainy images being shown here with clear doubt if it is a shadow or some renovation work is on makes Damien’s life easy.
Look at Bholari Hangar damage. Even a child can accept that damage.
For PAF radars the image quality wasn’t so good and these very same posters find SHADOWS etc to refute those claims. Same play of shadow becomes proof of damage. It is still circumstantial.

In any case few months old images have no value in BDA world. However hard one may try but BDA has to be done immediately. That window has long passed.
Gemini, Grok, ChatGPT can’t do what images taken at right time can.

 

[kimjongun]

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This is the most clear hit, even that damyein fk can't debunk this

same for the fatahpur cant is shared earlier