Pakistan, Kuwait discuss expanded defence pact: report

[peagle]

Kuwait is probably the only country that would require some sort of signficiant Infantry presence if we are to secure it properly

Air defence and artillery/armour more then infantry I think. Purely Infantry is just having our boys as sitting ducks

 

[Yasser76]

Air defence and artillery/armour more then infantry I think. Purely Infantry is just having our boys as sitting ducks

Yes, assumed all that, my point was in Saudi/Qatar Infantry element is not as important as it would be in Kuwait, going by the Geography of the place

 

[peagle]

Question for all,

Does Pakistan have the "spare" military capability to both defend against India, and have enough for foreign overseas expeditionary forces for all the “alliances” it is signing up with ???

The whole of the Pakistani Armed forces is currently geared towards the bare minimum they need against India, i.e. a few weeks of war with the hope that political intervention or India's war time supplies run out before Pakistan's does.

Also, who will fund the creation of overseas expeditionary forces? Pakistani tax payers, or are we actually going to see line-item budgetary support from these countries? It does feel like Pakistani taxpayers(what few there are) are the ones running the financial risk ?

How much spare military capacity does Pakistan have, and is Pakistan thinning out the defense of Pakistan in the search for money, and the retirement plans of "generals" looking for cushy retirement roles in the middle east?

I think when Pakistan counter attacked Afghanistan, it was telling india come and get it if you think you're hard enough. Seems like the capabilities they have developed, they feel comfortable enough.

It was also psychological signaling to india, that you might be big in your own house, but not in my house.

Regarding the added responsibilities, we need to remember these are not overnight things, these things take time to operationalise, and it's to mutual benefits. Let's see how we negotiate. Historically we have been too soft in negotiations, it's time we change our approach. Pressure from public will help.

 

[ghazi52]

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It is important to note that this is a defense cooperation agreement, not a strategic or mutual defense treaty. The nature and scope of the agreement are clearly defined in the decree issued by the Kuwaiti Cabinet.

Areas of Defense Cooperation (Article 2)

Under the agreement, Pakistan and Kuwait will cooperate in the following fields:

- Military training and professional education.
- Cooperation between the armed forces.
- Logistics and military support.
- Exchange of military personnel and defense experts.
- Scientific and technological collaboration.
- Military intelligence.
- Information technology and communications.
- Defense industries and military research.
- Military media and public relations.
- Exchange of sports, cultural, and social activities.
- Any other areas agreed upon by both countries.

Implementation

- Both sides will prepare annual plans for joint activities.
- Cooperation will be carried out through official visits, training programs, meetings, and personnel exchanges.
- Each country will designate its Ministry of Defense as the authority responsible for implementing the agreement.

Joint Military Committee

A Joint Military Committee will be established to:

- Coordinate and oversee defense cooperation.
- Hold regular meetings at least once a year, or whenever necessary.
- Review progress and recommend future areas of cooperation.

Protection of Information

Both countries have agreed to:

- Safeguard classified military information and documents.
- Refrain from sharing exchanged information with any third party without prior written consent from the other side.
- Continue protecting confidential information even after the agreement expires.

Intellectual Property

Any intellectual property developed under this agreement will be managed in accordance with the laws and regulations of both countries.

Costs

Unless otherwise agreed for specific activities, each side will bear the expenses of its own personnel and participation.

Dispute Resolution

- Any disagreements will be resolved through consultation and negotiations.
- Disputes may not be referred to international courts or third-party arbitration.

Amendment and Termination

- The agreement may be amended only through mutual written consent.
- Either country may terminate the agreement by providing 70 days' written notice through diplomatic channels.
- Termination will not affect ongoing projects unless both parties mutually decide otherwise.

Significance

This agreement establishes a formal legal framework for defense cooperation between Pakistan and Kuwait in areas such as military training, personnel exchanges, technology, logistics, intelligence, communications, and defense industries. However, it does not require either country to defend the other in the event of war or an armed attack.

 

[KingQamaR]

Question for all,

Does Pakistan have the "spare" military capability to both defend against India, and have enough for foreign overseas expeditionary forces for all the “alliances” it is signing up with ???

The whole of the Pakistani Armed forces is currently geared towards the bare minimum they need against India, i.e. a few weeks of war with the hope that political intervention or India's war time supplies run out before Pakistan's does.

Also, who will fund the creation of overseas expeditionary forces? Pakistani tax payers, or are we actually going to see line-item budgetary support from these countries? It does feel like Pakistani taxpayers(what few there are) are the ones running the financial risk ?

How much spare military capacity does Pakistan have, and is Pakistan thinning out the defense of Pakistan in the search for money, and the retirement plans of "generals" looking for cushy retirement roles in the middle east?

I really Carnot be bothered to get into a roll coaster conversation with some of my fellow posters on here …. not you.

It’s Egypt that’s the key not us.


The Saudis and Egyptians are in the same boat when it comes to the bottle neck of the Red Sea. The Saudis can bank roll an Egyptian expeditionary force , cover them with Saudi Air Force and, or strike a deal with PAF air power in order to finish off or degrade the Houthis ? Not sure Islamabad would want to upset Tehran. . The Suez Canal is a major economic resource for Egypt, no ships pass through the Red Sea means no money for Egyptian canal service. Egypt has a sizeable land forces and navy with huge beach landing capability to hit Houthis rear.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Timing, Bon Ami, timing.......

Looks like the Pak Deep State wants to play on the front foot, and that too coming out of the crease and placing the balls all over the ground.....

Now that the West is on full retreat, and the proverbial "one-geopoltical-reset-in-100-years" is taking place, the time is right to strike, albeit cautiously....

Doing something is always better than doing nothing.....

Fortune favors the brave....

God speed....

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Tranquility and security in the Muslim Heartlands, which is replete with rhe traitors and Munafikin larking at every street corner, requires an extremely powerful state taking care of its matters vis-a-vis external forces with an extremely powerful military. And, its mindset is simple: detach the head from the neck first, and think later.....

Last time it was the Ottomans. Who's this time?