Ali_Baba
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There was an increase of P8 flights prior to the last attack, so it is part of the build up for any possible war.
Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds
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There was an increase of P8 flights prior to the last attack, so it is part of the build up for any possible war.
Shakehands
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vizier
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Mountain bases should have been made to operate even after the main gates are destroyed as was discussed in related threads. Ballistic missiles need to be ready for launch all the time. So there will be ensured high number of continious strikes over israeli targets whether the attack comes from them directly or from countries that are highly under their influence like the Usa. This capability can provide a form of basic deterrance-cost against surprise attacks. Also some portion of mobile bm launchers need to be on rotation outside continiously and keep alert. The weakest link was the launcher vehicles last time and they focused on taking them out by hermes drones-aircraft to reduce Iranian missile counter attacks. The vehicles need to stay on the move and mock launcher vehicles can be placed-carried around to confuse the satellites. Enough number of launcher vehicles-silos should have been built by now.
But bms are still a short term solution and unsustainable if not coupled with air defense. For air defense a paradigm shift is necessary. Russian-Chinese doctrine needs to be reformed from the bottom-up which failed misarebly in almost all previous conflicts. Static active radars that remain open continiously will be jammed-saturated immediately especially after their positions are mapped by elint. It is costly but basic defense is moving them hourly(or less) to new locations and reopening them everytime. Even in peacetime they should be moved continiously since the most paralyzing attacks happened as initial unexpected decapitation strikes after mapping out the radars (Venezuela, Iran).
At least in that way exact position of radars can not be mapped real time to saturate them with missiles afterwards. Radar staying open at one location more than an hour is suicide. This time can be much less and technical staff would know better. Continious movement is used effectively by Ukraine for example to protect their anti air radars and Russians cannot hit them as easily as Usa does.
The radars can still be jammed almost immediately though if enemy has that capability. Maybe fake emitters would make the enemy jammers consume more power to jam all emitters at the same time. This can saturate the flying jammers. That can be a solution which can be researched further. If the jammer platform can distinguish the fake emitters from the real radars they can filter them out though and it wont work. The fake emitters can be directional antennas operating with the radar illuminating the target at the same time consuming less power like the radar. So they cant be instantly recognised as broadcasting fake emitters by the growlers.
Another better option in my opinion is building more passive lightweight iir tracking based weapons like majid, 358 and similar systems. Also we discussed about new passive radars that can work with vhf-fm transmitters giving them operational effectiveness similar to long wavelength scanning radars. They dont emit waves as a bonus. They are also much lighter and more mobile than long wavelength radars and possibly less prone to directional jamming since the recievers are stealthy. Broadcast jamming can blind them but they are also passive sensors they can locate the broadcasting source when they are jammed. They can also filter out those signals coming from that direction if signal processing is good enough and continue to operate. The weakest link would be fm-transmitters which need to be moved around continiously to not to get mapped-detected destroyed.
That being said the best time of attack was when Iran was expecting it least and emotions were high like close to agreement with trump and they just did that. But if they see an opening they wont hesitate to attack immediately as well without pretending or playing games like before. Also trusting too much on Russians , Chinese or any other country that offer air protection would be a mistake. National ad positions-strategy should be kept secret. Systems bought from others should work in parallel to national systems as a force multiplier. If a Chinese system is hacked or jammed for example at the central part of air defense network then it would only make a portion of the system inoperable not the whole system would go down.
But bms are still a short term solution and unsustainable if not coupled with air defense. For air defense a paradigm shift is necessary. Russian-Chinese doctrine needs to be reformed from the bottom-up which failed misarebly in almost all previous conflicts. Static active radars that remain open continiously will be jammed-saturated immediately especially after their positions are mapped by elint. It is costly but basic defense is moving them hourly(or less) to new locations and reopening them everytime. Even in peacetime they should be moved continiously since the most paralyzing attacks happened as initial unexpected decapitation strikes after mapping out the radars (Venezuela, Iran).
At least in that way exact position of radars can not be mapped real time to saturate them with missiles afterwards. Radar staying open at one location more than an hour is suicide. This time can be much less and technical staff would know better. Continious movement is used effectively by Ukraine for example to protect their anti air radars and Russians cannot hit them as easily as Usa does.
The radars can still be jammed almost immediately though if enemy has that capability. Maybe fake emitters would make the enemy jammers consume more power to jam all emitters at the same time. This can saturate the flying jammers. That can be a solution which can be researched further. If the jammer platform can distinguish the fake emitters from the real radars they can filter them out though and it wont work. The fake emitters can be directional antennas operating with the radar illuminating the target at the same time consuming less power like the radar. So they cant be instantly recognised as broadcasting fake emitters by the growlers.
Another better option in my opinion is building more passive lightweight iir tracking based weapons like majid, 358 and similar systems. Also we discussed about new passive radars that can work with vhf-fm transmitters giving them operational effectiveness similar to long wavelength scanning radars. They dont emit waves as a bonus. They are also much lighter and more mobile than long wavelength radars and possibly less prone to directional jamming since the recievers are stealthy. Broadcast jamming can blind them but they are also passive sensors they can locate the broadcasting source when they are jammed. They can also filter out those signals coming from that direction if signal processing is good enough and continue to operate. The weakest link would be fm-transmitters which need to be moved around continiously to not to get mapped-detected destroyed.
That being said the best time of attack was when Iran was expecting it least and emotions were high like close to agreement with trump and they just did that. But if they see an opening they wont hesitate to attack immediately as well without pretending or playing games like before. Also trusting too much on Russians , Chinese or any other country that offer air protection would be a mistake. National ad positions-strategy should be kept secret. Systems bought from others should work in parallel to national systems as a force multiplier. If a Chinese system is hacked or jammed for example at the central part of air defense network then it would only make a portion of the system inoperable not the whole system would go down.
vizier
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That can be used to map radars of Iran. If they are not moved continiously then it is bad news.
Another option for P8 can be to track Iranian navy-submarine fleet by sonobuoys. It was flying around before the attack on Russian submarine last time in black sea. More silent operation and continious movement is necessary for submarines. Russians parked the sub at the dock for too long and it was destroyed immediately.
Persian Gulf
INT'L MOD
well Iran is already redeveloping its ballistic missile program and Israel hasn't done anything about it yet
Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ
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There is no stopping that... however redundancies should be there to provide needed back up... along with spoofing... phantom emitters... GPS etc.
However, these are all for frontal attack or defense. What Iran faces is multi-dimensional. It is engineering and coercion on every level financial, social, agricultural... food and water, technological, cultural, religious and ethnic.
There is no domain intact... sacred or unscathed... in fact consider the normal with suspicion first...
This is the problem with playing defense... because aggressor will keep looking for chokepoints and loopholes. Instead they should have flipped the script on zion... let them play defense and bolt to their home countries.
Imposters need impetus...
The game of defense is lost once Trojans find their way in!
vizier
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Defense is for offense and offense is for defense. In order to sustain offense the sites should be defended well. Using defense only is a one way fight but using both effectively would make them give up. Currently possibility of sustained ballistic missile attacks on israel would make them not pick a fight raising the cost too high for them.
Both economic-political targets can be hit this time not only military targets as they would do the same this time. They can target individuals related to Irans bm program this time. So apartments are not secure for known scientists and carrying a smart phone everywhere is not secure either. But also this is not enough phones-places need to be changed etc. You cant use the same thing over and over again for a precaution eventually they can find some loophole.
Economic targets connected to israeli military production like electronics factories-research labaratories should be targeted in any case other than direct military installations. But if they give up then stopping would be better to develop the defense+offense better. As the need is to have the upper hand to take care of them with a final blow. it cant be a suicide attack that you cant survive at the end. Then others will dictate the terms after you lose everything after giving some damage against them. Yemen and Iraqi groups can attack as well. Iraqi groups drone launches can be claimed by Iran as done by themselves. Iraqi groups should attack covertly unlike Yemenis. I dont mean immediately accepting ceasefire when israel accepts stopping but knowing when to stop by the way.
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shapurzolaktaf
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If its all out Iran should flatten Qatar, Bahrain, Emirates bases in proces and take out all energy infrastructure with pointy missiles. Until now, it's a war on X, behind keyboard.
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Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ
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Remember Iran is on the back foot, why?
They didn't hone in on the weaknesses of the adversary and got caught up in the minutiae... politics of everything.
Zion craves legitimacy... which is what they push through US and EU... they are not... never will be!
Deal with them as such! Colonial imposters and usurpers.
Zion wants to appropriate the Jewish cause... provide counter Aliyah! Have their jews return. Counter the core that seeks to appropriate them with financial coercion and propaganda. The hasbara is the single largest manipulation scheme ever devised. They're driven by their agenda... remove the cause... effect loses meaning. The global finance along with the tools of coercion seeks to relocate to zion... if it becomes untenable the plan fails... worse the fuses and traps they've set in host states reach maturity while them still around to endure fallout.
All of the collective is reaching its debt maturity, aging population and drained resources... either they trigger wars of aggression to tame the hostile populations or extract resources from far off lands from undefended or under defended territories.
All of that hinges on Zion pulling off total control in the middle east... with total monopoly on violence and escalation dominance. Which is why Iran will have to go semi retard in zion proper to save homeland.
The other scenario is Iran gets another regime for 20 odd years before either another face off or total disintegration... the ultimate zionist goal.
tsunset
The Legend
If Khamenei is kidnapped and brought to NY, will he get the right to have an attorney? If yes what kind of charges will they trial him for?
Unfortunately if Khamenei is kidnapped they will probably sentence him to electric chair
He is a dead man walking currently
Unfortunately if Khamenei is kidnapped they will probably sentence him to electric chair
He is a dead man walking currently
Ali_Baba
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If Iran is attacked again, it needs to go into crazy Iran mode and impose a real cost to those countries that participate in the attack both those who provide airbases and surveillance capabilities aswell as those take active operations.
It cannot be a bilateral exchange like last time. Iran will need to take bigger risks to reestablish deterrence.
Trump will only be dissuaded when body bags start flowing back to the USA, we all saw how nervous he was for Irans last response. Iran cannot do that kind of prearranged response because if it does that, it is game over for deterrence..
It cannot be a bilateral exchange like last time. Iran will need to take bigger risks to reestablish deterrence.
Trump will only be dissuaded when body bags start flowing back to the USA, we all saw how nervous he was for Irans last response. Iran cannot do that kind of prearranged response because if it does that, it is game over for deterrence..
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