Turkey Said to Seek Membership of Saudi-Pakistan Defense Pact

That's great news and hopefully it comes to fruition. I really hope that Iran also be part of this alliance in the future, but the future of Iran looks grim to me if the secularists overthrow the present regime and the Zionist loving Reza Pahlavi takes over. Those Iranians are the worst lot because they are pro-Zionist and anti-Islam. But all in all if Allah willing this alliance is successful, then more countries will join it such as Egypt and this will be a first proto-Nato alliance of the Muslim world.

Iran is a separate matter entirely. Currently it will stay with 3 countries, even Egypt I don't know if they would be added, there is still friction between Turkey and Egypt over Libya and even Syria. So I don't see that happening. Also not really sure what Egypt would have to offer that the Pakistanis don't already offer to the 3 country alliance. Pakistan has the manpower and the Nukes. Its possible if things consolidate more with Egypt and Turkey that it may get added, but its too premature. Lets see Turkey enter into this 3 country alliance first, it hasn't been officially announced yet even.
 
Too many diverging interests for this to work....
NATO has common foes. This Turkey/KSA/Pakistan combination have common interests but not a common foe
Also consider Turkey's existing NATO commitment
 
Too many diverging interests for this to work....
NATO has common foes. This Turkey/KSA/Pakistan combination have common interests but not a common foe
Also consider Turkey's existing NATO commitment
Nato is finished that is why turkiye is interested at first place to join such alliance, we are coming back to the 19 century type of geopolitics.
 
For that to happen you will need to see tangible financial incentives from KSA - you have to understand the scale at which certain Pakistanis have invested inside the UAE is eye watering.

I am afraid those Pakistanis that invested in the UAE made a bad investment. The rupture between KSA and UAE is inevitable. The UAE wants to present itself as the leader of the GCC bloc, but KSA is the undisputed leader of the GCC.
 
Nato is finished that is why turkiye is interested at first place to join such alliance, we are coming back to the 19 century type of geopolitics.
NATO won't be finished so long as they see Russia as a threat.

Why does NATO exist? It exists to maintain a dominance of a western neoliberal world order through the use of force. This is the ideology that binds it's alliance. So long as there are contenders in the world against these countries (i.e. Russia and China), NATO will always exist. It's member states see a common threat in these 2 countries.

Turkey/Pakistan/KSA do not share a common threat. Pakistanis expect this supposed alliance will work as a bulwark against India. Frankly its really silly that Pakistanis believe such since nobody has a bone to pick with India anymore aside from Pakistan and Bangladesh.
 
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NATO won't be finished so long as they see Russia as a threat.

Why does NATO exist? It exists to maintain a dominance of a western neoliberal world order through the use of force. This is the ideology that binds it's alliance. So long as there are contenders in the world against these countries (i.e. Russia and China), NATO will always exist. It's member states see a common threat in these 2 countries.

Turkey/Pakistan/KSA do not share a common threat. Pakistanis expect this supposed alliance will work as a bulwark against India. Frankly its really silly that Pakistanis believe such since nobody has a bone to pick with India anymore aside from Pakistan and Bangladesh.
Expensive relic of the cold war, nothing more, now usa deals with russia on its own, they calculated that europeans are not needed anymore as they are coming back firmly into monroe's doctrine pathway,
 
Turkey/Pakistan/KSA do not share a common threat. Pakistanis expect this supposed alliance will work as a bulwark against India. Frankly its really silly that Pakistanis believe such since nobody has a bone to pick with India anymore aside from Pakistan and Bangladesh.

Turkey just became almost a co-belligerent against India in the Pakistan-India conflict of May 2025; it seems like Turkey is the most anti-India country outside of South Asia! Pakistan doesn't need manpower from any country: $$ and weapons would be enough when there is need. To Saudi Arabia, some free oil or a few billions of $$ would be chum change to offer to Pakistan.
 
NATO won't be finished so long as they see Russia as a threat.

You misread this, Europe/EU sees Russia as a threat, this administration does not, in fact in its illiberal nature, they are closer to Putin than they are against him. For the US, Europe is not as important anymore as the Pacific or even the middle east with the Oil.

Btw, this is part of the play being made for Venezuela's Oil. Venezuela has larger oil reserves than Saudi Arabia(Granted Saudi light crude is still the gold standard in terms of ease of extraction and quality), he is playing the "Donroe Doctrine" game where essentially the US will try to be more neighborhood focused and Pacific focused and potnetially be less reliant on the middle east. This is creating a lot of shifts in the region. The Zionist lobby is still very strong, so they will try to keep a US presence in the region, but some of the Trump people in the administration want to shift focus to the western hemisphere with North America and South America. This is why he is also willing to take over Greenland, b/c Europe matters less.

If the Transatlantic framework breaks down, what will replace it is a Eurocentric approach with a Security Architecture set up via the EU. But this presents problems for Turkey because even if Turkey wishes to be in this setup, and many States favor Turkish involvement(Germany, Poland, Romania, Baltics), the Greeks with their own personal beef will freeze Turkey out due to their own personal grievances(You see this already happening with Turkey not allowed access to EU defense funds and allowed to sell weapons to EU states paid for by EU money). They would rather see Turkey treated like Russia. This is akin to Turkey trying to join NATO when Greece is already inside, it worked in the past b/c Turkey and Greece joined together, but that formula no longer works, especially with both Greece and Cyprus. So even if the Greeks stand down, the Greek Cypriots are more hostile and will block. Its not a coincidence that Turkey which was making real progress into the EU even with a reluctant Greece, didn't get blocked by Greece, but once Cyprus was allowed in(without settling the Cypriot issue), all progress stopped.

In that setup(Hypothetical Post NATO), Turkey is on its own, with Greeks inside an EU framework with the French Nuclear Umbrella, Russia/Belarus on the other side with a Nuclear option and Turkey on its own without a Nuclear Umbrella. And add to that, Israel with a Nuke and Israel creating a trilateral alliance with the Greeks and Southern Cyprus.

In that scenario, Turkey is left on its own without a nuclear umbrella, and without allies. So this hedging is for that specific scenario, Where the 3 major Sunni States work on a strategic partnership, due to converging interests.
 
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That is the million dollar question - because the Qualm prefers their apartments and money to Pakistan any minute of their days.
Interestingly, I would think Pakistanis would be better served by taking their Dubai investments(at least those not totally haram) and moving it to KSA. That will gain a lot of goodwill.


Both Medina and Makkah are opening up to foreign ownership soon - and all over - this is where Pakistanis should park money (because nothing will convince them of investing in Pakistan) and at least help build goodwill where it matters instead of their repute as filthy day laborers and beggars.
Haram ka Paisa getting invested in Mecca & Medina is...
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Türkiye is part of NATO and already has the American nuclear umbrella. Why does it need to join this alliance?
 

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