PAF J-10CE News, Updates and Discussion

[KingQamaR]

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[RandomThoughts7]

WS-13 is very mature.

It has not only been in service for 15 years, but also applied on many platforms. For example, FBC-1，GJ-11， Xianglong high-altitude unmanned reconnaissance aircraft, etc. It is rare to find engines like the WS-13 that serve multiple platforms such as fighter jets, fighter bombers, stealth drones, and high-altitude drones.

And the lifespan of WS-13 has been extended to 3000 hours. RD-93 only has 2200 hours. If the hot end components are not replaced, the lifespan of F414 is only 2000 hours.

Hi, I remember speaking to PAF aircrew at RIAT. They mentioned that the JF-17 had been tested with a WS-13. I do not know when and which version. They mentioned the PAF was very happy with the RD-93 and running diagnostics on the RD-93 engine was very easy and comprehensive.

Maybe a new engine will be seen on the Block 4 version, but I guess time will tell.

 

[Deino]

It does have the colors of the Pakistani flag, I see white and a another darker color which could be dark green.

But the position is different! It is placed much higher, almost in line with the formation lights.

 

[Falcon26]

But the position is different! It is placed much higher, almost in line with the formation lights.

In that case, it probably belongs to the Egyptian Air Force. Any reports of Egyptian interest in the J-10c?

 

[KingQamaR]

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[Khanivore]

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If these J-10s are for PAF, then most likely they'll come prepared to carry 6x PL-15s.

 

[Khanivore]

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[Michael]

A single unit of WS-19 is currently more expensive than an entire JF-17 block 3 without the engine.

Fake!
The WS-21/WS-19 engine is indeed more expensive than the RD-93, but not as outrageously expensive as you suggest. The price is approximately $10 million to $20 million.
The price of a JF-17B3 (excluding the RD-93 engine) is close to $30 million.

Production rate for WS-19 is still in the process of scaling up. Also the engine may not be suitable for JF-17 aerodynamics and FCS. It is more than 30% more powerful compared to WS-13. There is speculation that WS-19 is up to 120KN wet thrust, making it roughly 40% more powerful if true.

The construction of the WS-19 engine production plant proceeded largely in parallel with the construction of the new SAC factory complex.
However, your performance figures for the WS-19 engine are based on speculation from online self-media authors and do not match the actual situation.

It has not only been in service for 15 years, but also applied on many platforms. For example, FBC-1，GJ-11， Xianglong high-altitude unmanned reconnaissance aircraft, etc. It is rare to find engines like the WS-13 that serve multiple platforms such as fighter jets, fighter bombers, stealth drones, and high-altitude drones.

This text comes from a rumor spread by an online self-media author.

The WS-13 engine has never been mass-produced, so how could it be in widespread service?

Liyang Company does not have a production line for the WS-13 engine; it only has experimental manufacturing facilities.
The WS-21 engine has a traditional production line and has been in production, but the output is not very high.
They are currently building a highly automated production line for the WS-19 engine, which should already be completed. (According to information I received earlier, it should be fully completed by 2025. I haven't recently checked on the progress.)

Perhaps I'm just reading too much into blurry pixels, but based on @WaleedAhmQ's screenshot, this J-10CE is not only already grey, but it seems to have a flag (?) on the tail, which's position doesn't match that of the Pakistani flag on their J-10CE!

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I haven't heard anything about a white J-10C fighter jet being test-flown in Chengdu recently. Therefore, I'm unsure about the veracity of this information.

If these J-10s are for PAF, then most likely they'll come prepared to carry 6x PL-15s.

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This is a static ground display of the J-10CE, which differs significantly from its configuration in actual combat.

 

[Deino]

Hi, I remember speaking to PAF aircrew at RIAT. They mentioned that the JF-17 had been tested with a WS-13. I do not know when and which version. They mentioned the PAF was very happy with the RD-93 and running diagnostics on the RD-93 engine was very easy and comprehensive.

Maybe a new engine will be seen on the Block 4 version, but I guess time will tell.

Can we leave out the WS-13/RD-93 discussion from this thread, since it is irrelevant to the J-10?

 

[Fatman17]

 

[rafale]

what i was informed i stand by it

20 ordered
16 option confirmed recently after Jun-25 war
54 planned

Total: 5 x Sqns planned with DACT Sqn

J-35 on back burner - no needed know urgently because India did not go for F-35
we have 10 years.

bro.....how can 54 J-10s make up 5 squadrons? They don't even add up to 4 full squadrons of 18 aircraft each.....

 

[Khanivore]

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[ThoroughPro]

Perhaps I'm just reading too much into blurry pixels, but based on @WaleedAhmQ's screenshot, this J-10CE is not only already grey, but it seems to have a flag (?) on the tail, which's position doesn't match that of the Pakistani flag on their J-10CE!

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nobody paints flags on the primer

 

[ThoroughPro]

bro.....how can 54 J-10s make up 5 squadrons? They don't even add up to 4 full squadrons of 18 aircraft each.....

observe, think, do some math
20+16+54=90/18=5

 

[Fatman17]

what i was informed i stand by it

20 ordered
16 option confirmed recently after Jun-25 war
54 planned

Total: 5 x Sqns planned with DACT Sqn

J-35 on back burner - no needed know urgently because India did not go for F-35
we have 10 years.

36 means 3 X 12 per squadron. Under strength.
54 means 3 X 18 per squadron. On strength