Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

Moral of the story : Bend over. Eh?

Moral of the story: Don’t kidnap Embassy Diplomats like Taliban savages and then proceed to punch the reigning Superpower and their Jewish masters until you have built a strong economy which can support your people and power your war machine.

IR of Iran had ever chance to be powerful, but they start their life doing terrorist attacks and being pissed at both the east and west. They focused more on making sure women’s hair wasn’t sticking out then stumping out corruption and building strong trade ties with the world.

No wonder Putin called this leadership crazy. Nobody wants to deal with the Shia version of Taliban. By the time they moderated it was too late.
 
Kurds claim they have captured an IRGC HQ

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In fact its true... they went in, got killed and their bodies are roting there, therefore they occupy the place........ In a sense
 
Moral of the story: Don’t kidnap Embassy Diplomats like Taliban savages and then proceed to punch the reigning Superpower and their Jewish masters until you have built a strong economy which can support your people and power your war machine.

IR of Iran had ever chance to be powerful, but they start their life doing terrorist attacks and being pissed at both the east and west.

No wonder Putin called this leadership crazy. Nobody wants to deal with the Shia version of Taliban. By the time they moderated it was too late.
You are a Yankee apologist. If you were a true patriot you would back the republic now. Each one of your posts since the time you have been here has been lenient towards Iran's enemies.

You are a fantasist as well. You promote grandiose ideas, none of which are practical nor applicable and you never explain how those grandiose superficial ideas can actually be achieved. Not once I have seen you explain solutions or the means to bring about a solution.

How about you try now. Answer me, what is the alternative now if the Islamic establishment falls? What happens, who takes over and what does it mean for the future of the entire nation? I want practical answers from you now since you always thump your chest with nonsensical bullshite and pretend to be an intellectual. Go on and explain what the vision is from start to end.
 
Moral of the story : Bend over. Eh?
Hardly. It’s called being smart. The Arab cause isn’t even Irans anyways and the Palestinians don’t even appreciate Iran, they still fall for gulf hasbara propaganda even as they are being slaughtered. It’s actually astounding their absolute lack of critical thinking.
 
In fact its true... they went in, got killed and their bodies are roting there, therefore they occupy the place........ In a sense
In contacted Iraq today about border security. Any infiltration, terrorist attack, will be paid back by Iran inside Erbil.
 
I am not saying Iran is going to fall. I am not saying trump is going to win and bitcoin goes to the millions per bitcoin. Though watch the price of bitcoin, it increased by 5k today, gold did not go up as much in many days. This is not a typical war, wars do spike gold. Though this conflict is about defeating resistance to the Anglo-Americans. Russia is not about stopping trump. Russia is about putting Europe in their place. So after Iran is gone, you have North korea and china as two big players resisting the US. If China does not want to be alone and fold to trump, help Iran.
 
Hardly. It’s called being smart. The Arab cause isn’t even Irans anyways and the Palestinians don’t even appreciate Iran, they still fall for gulf hasbara propaganda even as they are being slaughtered. It’s actually astounding their absolute lack of critical thinking.
Palestinians do not care to meddle in internal affairs of other Muslim states. They do not wish to take away from the Palestinian cause in order to support other Muslim states and their fight in vying for power and influence whoever it may be.

There are a lot of issues in the Middle East and that’s because of failures by Iran, Saudi, etc in resolving their disputes among themselves and promoting unity.

Just as Arab states had a hand in conflicts such as Yemen and Syria so did Iran. Everyone has their own interests in mind and not the others. The consequences falls on both parties.

I think it’s best to stop blaming each other and start working to resolve differences and issues that are plaguing the Middle East.
 
You are a Yankee apologist. If you were a true patriot you would back the republic now. Each one of your posts since the time you have been here has been lenient towards Iran's enemies.

You are a fantasist as well. You promote grandiose ideas, none of which are practical nor applicable and you never explain how those grandiose superficial ideas can actually be achieved. Not once I have seen you explain solutions or the means to bring about a solution.

How about you try now. Answer me, what is the alternative now if the Islamic establishment falls? What happens, who takes over and what does it mean for the future of the entire nation? I want practical answers from you now since you always thump your chest with nonsensical bullshite and pretend to be an intellectual. Go on and explain what the vision is from start to end.

Listen to yourself. Emotional. Unhinged and sprouting nonsense.

What grandiose ideas have I sprouted? To have a spine? To be pragmatic? To not have your head in the sand and think you can flatten the world with missiles? That’s grandiose?

Like it or not, a group of us on here warned the delusional crowd of the dangers and we were met with ridicule and scorn.

When I pointed out our lack of response in Syria for years at setting up deterrence and was drowned out by the “everything is awesome crowd”. Was that grandiose?

When I said we should go on the offensive after Solemani and everyone was happy with some concussion soldiers. Was that grandiose?

When I said Post- October 7th when Hamas dragged the entire AoR into a do or die battle, was the last chance Iran had to fight on its own terms before enemy brought the war to us? Was that grandiose?

When I said we need more air defense systems because there is no way our current airspace is secure with the S-300 order. And that Bavar was not ready. People said Bavar-373 is all we need and we don’t S-400 or Chinese system. Was that being grandiose?

It’s okay to admit you got duped by propaganda. Everyone on here did to some extent including myself.

Nobody on here had a plan. Everyone just wanted to resist the U.S. forever. Easy to say when all of us are abroad. I am not sure when the last time you went to Iran was, but when I went last year and sanctions were crushing the country.

People were digging out of trash at night to find stuff to sell. Trash filled the street from people going thru it. Seeing kids with their parents digging thru the trash with their parents at 11 pm at night, changed your perspective. It was clear we weren’t winning and we were in fact heading towards implosion.

The currency has dropped since then from 50,000 to 150,000! Think about that second.

Everyone on this forum is sitting abroad and telling people in Iran how to live. It’s absurd and childish.

There is no vision for a future Iran at this point. Because the time for change was years ago. But the current plan by this leadership for the last 5 years was:

NO NUKES
NO NEGOTIATIONS
NO WAR

Did they think America/Israel were going to come one day and give Iran everything it wanted? Did they really think America would collapse like Rome in Khamenai’s lifetime?

The one thing I do know is outside of China coming in and giving us security guarantees….we have to negotiate with the U.S. and unfortunately we lost most of our cards if not all of them because this leadership was anti conflict for last 10 years.

If you don’t negotiate you will implode. Whether Khamenai negotiates or IRGC military led government or some transitional government. So that is the only option now. Negotiate. No grand plan. No vision. No nothing.
 
can you post some of the listed/declare anti-ship capability of Iranian navy? which antiship missiles IR uses and with what range? guesstimate would be fine.
ASCMs:

- Noor 200km
- Ghadir 300km
- Qadr-380 1000km
- Abu Mahdi 1000km

ASBMs:

- Khalije Fars 300km
- Hormuz-1/2 300km
- Zolfaqar Basir 700km
 
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attacks are not imminent
 
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attacks are not imminent


B-2’s can fly from America to Iran while submarines fire CMs from Indian Ocean. There are U.S. naval vessels in the area just not a carrier group.

If it’s meant to be a small attack similar to Syria 2019 then you don’t need a huge military build up. Any such build up would also likely stay outside of the PG anyway to avoid BM or CM fire.
 
B-2’s can fly from America to Iran while submarines fire CMs from Indian Ocean. There are U.S. naval vessels in the area just not a carrier group.

If it’s meant to be a small attack similar to Syria 2019 then you don’t need a huge military build up. Any such build up would also likely stay outside of the PG anyway to avoid BM or CM fire.
there are 5 US navy ships inside the Persian Gulf right now

they have no ships in the med to protect Israel. nothing indicates an attack is imminent.
 

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