Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Immortals]

Therefore, what the US and Israel will do is hybrid warfare and media manipulation, because Iran has reached a level of defense that is difficult to overcome. Look at the speed with which Iran contained the color revolution, cutting off Starlink and other satellite communications (which is unprecedented).

Maintaining control over an infrastructure that is crumbling and divided easily influenced populous for how long?

As Americans race to Super-intelligence AI and the Arabs provide funding and land and energy to reach the next level of human evolution, Iran is still fighting economic warfare and in constant war economy.

Americans can keep the sanctions on Iran forever and even if Iran doesn’t fall, make life very difficult for the people. This will lead to a reoccurring cycle of protests. This will scare away foreign capital that Iran desperately needs to revitalize its economy (Russian/Chinese investors).

The question isn’t whether Iran falls or doesn’t fall, the question is what is the end game here? How does Iran get back on the path to prosperity or growth that hasn’t happened in last 10 years post JCPOA.

Or if it’s just about resistance: Then Cuba and North Korea have been resisting the West far longer than Iran has. But I doubt anyone on this board would like to live in either nation right now. Nor are either of those two nations ever going to be prosperous. They sit isolated and in the constant state of war economy.

Again, no one on here has the answer to how Iran recovers. The Israelis aren’t going to go away or collapse. The Americans are too dominated by Zionists in all facets of their power structure, economy, and society that they will never remove the shackles on Iran, magically for no reason. There is no incentive for them to.

Iran’s leverage for forcing the U.S. to negotiate was its foreign legions (HZ, Hamas, Houthi’s, Iraqi Pmu, etc) which are now severely weakened and diluted. It was also its nuclear program namely Fordow that could theoretically continuing enriching even during a war (that turned out to be a lie). Its last leverage was an enriched uranium stockpile which is buried somewhere underneath Fordow or in Isfahan.

Even if it wasn’t buried it would require uranium metal conversion facility to create the uranium metal core for a chain reaction fission cycle, that facility was destroyed.

Again the question is what cards does Iran have to play to get free from sanctions and back integrated with the world?

 

[Falcon29]

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sure

That's like saying Japan and Germany are slaves of USA. In Iraq and Syria those US bases were not there at request of the people.

The US wants to enforce international trade and secure trade routes they have the power and capability to do it. If those nations object then the US will put them in nearby nations or balkanize nations to create new ones to install bases in.

Thats what these Gulf bases are for. And they were more for Saddam's Iraq at the time.

Arabs don't feel a need to throw US out of region at the moment but you can be assured if there's anyone to actually ever attempt that it will be Arabs and certainly not Iranians. And if there's anyone that takes down Israel it's guaranteed going to be the Arabs that do it and nobody else .

Tens of millions of Arabs were killed by Western colonizers and Jews unlike Iranians.

Now Syrians forced the US to withdraw from Syria because Ahmed Sharaa and Syrian rebels have the guts to do that. So that's one less US base in the region.

Saudi Arabia threw out a UAE base from Yemen.

They will be removing malicious influence from region over next 10 years and at that point Israel will be in a worse standing. It's not getting better for Israel.

The US plan for Gaza as if US is trying to make Gaza a US presence is fully coordinated with Israel to scare off Arabs from Israel in the future. To say you're attacking America not Israel if you do anything.

Arabs know this and so do Palestinians and that US plan for Gaza won't advance.

These are far from 'slaves' .

 

[VCheng]

Again the question is what cards does Iran have to play to get free from sanctions and back integrated with the world?

The answer must come from the Iranian government according to whatever direction they wish the country to follow in pursuit of its goals.

 

[Bharatah]

indeed, the government is failing economically

equally, we recently saw Scott Bessent brag about how US sanctions are the cause of Iran's currency crisis, so it is clear that exogenous factors play a serious role and the issues cannot be properly resolved without dealing with these factors

All world is failing economically, so the difference between Iran and the others isn't that big. The problem would be if you compared an economically bad country with the USA 35/40 years ago (where with $5,000 a month you were rich person), then okay. But today, the average American is broke, renting a house is $2,500/$3,000 a month, if you break a leg it's $30,000, mortgaged house, leased or financed car, average out-of-state public college costs $45,000 a year with housing (5 years of course you will spend US$225,000) private will cost around $300,000...the average American is full of debt, eats rotten food, uses drugs, alcohol, cigarettes, is completely screwed.

If the US is completely bankrupt, imagine Europe, Asia, Africa, the Americas.

NOTE: In 2003 (in Brazil), I earned 10 Brazilian minimum wages with 2 years of experience in software development. Today (2025), a programmer with the experience I had back then (2 years) earns 1 minimum wages or 1.5 minimum wages!

 

[Falcon29]

He is talking about Qatar and Turkey and/or Saudi Arabia , lol

This is crazy insane lies about death toll so they downplay the Holocaust Israel committed in Gaza

I would be surprised if even 300 protestors were killed

Most of the killed were iranian police and military killed in Mossad terror attacks

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[mangekyo]

This was Damascus in 2013, prior to Iran turning the tide:

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Assad wouldn’t have made it 6 more months without Iranian, Hezbollah, and Shiite miltia assistance.

Exactly. I’m not even debating wether regime change in Iran is possible or not. I’m just saying comparing Iran to Syria makes no sense. Assad had a very powerful and reliable friend. Iran has no friends.

 

[prokhorudro]

my answer is yes, without law and order, countries will cease to exist

If the regime has become this much unpopular it must submit and make changes. Idk do people not like khomeni or the government or the republic?
Some people must go?
At least Khamenei should give up power to the people's favorite religious leader?
I am not sure how Islamic Republic of Iran works

 

[mangekyo]

Hamas Toofan Al-Aqsa changed things. Arabs and Turks were watching. The whole world was.

Sorry to break it to you pal, but the Turks were funding the genocide

 

[Bharatah]

The US - Israel - UAE want to keep region on edge for prolonged period to cause economic damage to these nations

And disrupt the Saudi - Pakistan - Turkey - Egypt implementation of new policies in region

They want them to instead focus on crisis management in case of Gulf war rather than start removing Israel and UAE from Somalia, Sudan, Libya, etc.....

It's possible Saudi and Qatari pressure leads to not being a war but US will remain vague about it to keep region on edge for those reasons

The USA is not capable of waging war against Iran; Saudi Arabia's opinion is irrelevant. A war against Iran would require 20-30 years of warfare with 300,000-500,000 soldiers; anything outside of that is merely hybrid warfare. Trump will do what he did in Venezuela, a media stunt involving assassination or kidnapping.

Exactly. I’m not even debating wether regime change in Iran is possible or not. I’m just saying comparing Iran to Syria makes no sense. Assad had a very powerful and reliable friend. Iran has no friends.

Friend , Iran today is 1000x stronger than syria 2011. And "friends" of Syria 2011 are "friends" of iran 2025.

 

[prokhorudro]

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"Nicht schlecht", as you call it

In Bangladesh we also had to change the regime ans such brutalities happened. Hasina also called the protesters terrorists. But when people are angry and hurt such things happen.

 

[Immortals]

If the regime has become this much unpopular it must submit and make changes. Idk do people not like khomeni or the government or the republic?
Some people must go?

It doesn’t work like that. Iran is made up of factions, powerful families tied to the revolution, the military, and the uber wealthy. The uber wealthy are that way because they made money under this sanctions regime. So they benefit from the status quo. Iran isn’t exactly a oligarchy but it’s not far off with power being concentrated in the hands of a few.

People in these systems don’t just decide to give up power. Usually a military coup or a stronger entity (another country) comes and FORCES the change to the point the person picks survival over death. In Iran the military forces (IRGC) also have a major stake in the economy and thus have no incentive to turn on the other factions or the government. So military led coup is highly unlikely in this society.

Thus you have system where the leadership is banded together wether they like each or not. And no human or organization on earth gives up wealth and power voluntarily. This isn’t a fairytale.

At least Khamenei should give up power to the people's favorite religious leader?

Khamenai stepping down keeps the system in place and then starts infighting on who has the final say. There is no “popular” religious leader in Iran. There is no “strong man” to replace him like Stalin replaced Lenin.

Iran has its liberals, conservatives, centrists, religious, and non religious like any other country in the world.

 

[Bharatah]

In Bangladesh we also had to change the regime ans such brutalities happened. Hasina also called the protesters terrorists. But when people are angry and hurt such things happen.

The CIA's color revolution worked in Bangladesh because Bangladesh has no internal security, so part of the population bought into the media's false narrative. In the case of Iran, no one has ever seen more than 15,000/20,000 people protesting (nationwide), which gives 0.2% popular support !, a huge flop for the CIA and Mossad.

 

[mangekyo]

Friend , Iran today is 1000x stronger than syria 2011. And "friends" of Syria 2011 are "friends" of iran 2025.

Ok. How long will it remain «1000x stronger» than 2011 Syria if it faces the full millitary might of USA? How long can it withstand bomb raids? How long will it survive once oil fields are destroyed?

As I said, Assad only survived because Iran came and bailed him. No one is coming to bail Iran.

 

[StrategicBear]

Ok. How long will it remain «1000x stronger» than 2011 Syria if it faces the full millitary might of USA? How long can it withstand bomb raids? How long will it survive once oil fields are destroyed?

As I said, Assad only survived because Iran came and bailed him. No one is coming to bail Iran.

US has no stomach for a long war against Iran because they would lose Taiwan easily to China if they got bogged down in another Middle Eastern war that may cause a carrier to get sunk by Hypersonics, humiliating Trump and leading to his ouster from office.

 

[hasn2009]

Really weird bizarre drama and hysteria created by Western and Israeli media

As if they're trying to achieve element of surprise. They aren't and don't need to. It's quite easy for them to attack Iran.

This appears more like a setup against the GCC and Saudi Arabia. They want Iran to retaliate on GCC to lower their credit rating, damage economy, and disrupt the Saudi - Egyptian - Turkish - Pakistani defense nexus that's coming into fruition.

Any first strike will take out medium and long range capabilities. Then US and Israel will give Iran plenty of time and opportunity to strike at the Gulf Arabs.

No way all this hysteria is about Iran which proved to be weak over past two years and barely able to withstand 12 days of war with Israel.

Why would US/Israel want to hurt their zion-loving lap-dog arab states?