Türkiye unveils exclusive details of future TF-2000-class destroyer

[BonPlan]

as like your EXOCET is copy of HARPOON ?

Open your eyes and take your medicine.
Exocet family was created befor Harpoon one.....

 

[MMM-E]

KAAN is far from beeing mature. in 2028 the air field tests will even not been closed.
(first flight was already late on shedule.... LOL)

Open your eyes and take your medicine.

KAAN first flight was as of 21.02.2024 . already ahead of schedule
The first flight was previously planned for 2026 , later moved to 2025 and in finally KAAN made the first flight in 2024

and in 2028 KAAN will be combat ready with Turkish AESA Radar and BVR air to air Missile

RAFALE Pilot will see KAAN from 35 km while KAAN Pilot will see RAFALE from 175km away

and GAME OVER
RAFALE Pilot will not know even what hit him ...

 

[Waz]

With you all that is french is pathetic..... So you are my dear @MMM-E
A pathetic turkish guy.

If you can't debate properly leave the thread. Don't resort to personal insults.

 

[MMM-E]

And during this time improve your skill to built Diesel engine for tank. It's more at your level.

Only one example

France blocked sale of turbojet Engine to Turkiye

And Turkiye has developed its own KTJ-3200 turbojet Engine to power SOM and ATMACA Cruise Missiles

Turkish turbojet Engine in mass production now to kick French embargo


250 km superior ATMACA anti-ship Misssile with indigenous turbojet Engine

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Dont worry sooner or later Turkish Turbofan Engines will power the KAAN . ANKA-3 and KIZILELMA

This is the first step

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[lacy]

@MMM-E can you build your arguments around things that are in service and not things that are on paper or has just started testing campaign? You're shooting down Rafales with an aircraft which won't see FOC for a decade. Press the brakes ffs.

 

[Aziqbal]

RAFALE Pilot will see KAAN from 40 km while KAAN Pilot will see RAFALE from 175km away

and GAME OVER
RAFALE Pilot will not know even what hit him ...

yes i agree only if the Rafale pilot is blind

 

[MMM-E]

@MMM-E can you build your arguments around things that are in service and not things that are on paper or has just started testing campaign? You're shooting down Rafale with an aircraft which won't see FOC for a decade. Press the brakes ffs.

Who says 10 years ?
20 KAAN will be delivered to the Turkish Air Force in 2028 ... ( just 4 years )


even KAAN block-0 with American Engine will have more lower RCS than RAFALE

I am saying again
RAFALE Pilot will see KAAN from 35 km while KAAN Pilot will see RAFALE from 175km away


even KIZILELMA has lower RCS than RAFALE
and KIZILELMA mass production start in 2024




And KIZILELMA will be equipped with MURAD AESA Radar
and GOKDOGAN BVR air to air Missiles in internal weapon bays for stealth flight capability

 

[MMM-E]

yes i agree only if the Rafale pilot is blind

If the RAFALE has bigger RCS

RAFALE : 1 m2
KIZILELMA block1 : 0.03 m2
KAAN : 0.0030 m2

KAAN has stealth design , advanced magnetic coating , RAM panel layer and internal weapon bay for low RCS .... ( RCS value for X band 10GHz as 0.0030 m2 [ -25dbsqm ]
offical demonstration

 

[lacy]

Who says 10 years ?
20 KAAN will be delivered to the Turkish Air Force in 2028 ... ( just 4 years )

Do you know what FOC means?

And those fan-made graphs are BS. We don't know KAAN's RCS(especially the first block) or its radar power.

 

[MMM-E]

Do you know what FOC means?

better than you ... When KAAN will have FOC that means 5+ generation capability which contain squadrons

even no need FOC against 24 RAFALE
initial operational capability will be enough ... ( offensive anti-air warfare )


Our Guys are not stupid to wait for 10 years
in 2028-2030 Greece will get 20 F-35s and Greek F35s will have FOC in 2032

and 20 KAAN will be delivered to the Turkish Air Force in 2028
GOKDOGAN air to air Missile is almost ready
AESA Radar will be ready until 2028

and in 2028-2030 period 20 KAAN will be combat ready against Greek Rafales and F35s

Even KIZILELMA will be combat ready in 2028-2030 period

And those fan-made graphs are BS. We don't know KAAN's RCS(especially the first block) or its radar power.

The graphics were prepared by a retired pilot Major General and an engineer.


even block0 will have far lower RCS than RAFALE

No need to be an expert to know this

KAAN has stealth design
KAAN has advanced magnetic coating
also RAM panel layer and internal weapon bay for LOW RCS


and as like F-35 . Turkish KAAN has 240 kw main generator ( 2x 120 kw )
the electrical power generation is enough for 40kw BURFIS AESA Radar

and Aselsan BURFIS AESA Radar has 2.000+ GaN T/R modules
far better than RAFALE's RBE2 AESA Radar with 838 GaAs T/R modules

 

[Pingle]

Kid are you blind or what ?

Turkiye has its own projects both manned and unmanned stealth Fighter Jets to operate together in 2028
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while France will use only old Rafale until 2050

No FCAS before 2050, says Dassault CEO​

No FCAS before 2050, says Dassault CEO - AeroTime

Speaking at the Paris Air Forum on June 7, 2022, Éric Trappier, CEO of Dassault Aviation, gave an update on the advancement of the Future Combat Air System (FCAS) program. The “system of systems” built around a sixth-generation fighter jet, the Next Generation Fighter (NGF) was contracted by the...

www.aerotime.aero

https://www.aerotime.aero/articles/author/clement-charpentreau

Yes you have both manned unmanned projects..... are they battle ready if France challenge you tomorrow on 13th March 2024?? Pray France doesn't challenge you on this date..... it will be your Friday the 13th where France will be after Turkey like a Jason...... and Turkey running for its life....

 

[MMM-E]

Yes you have both manned unmanned projects..... are they battle ready if France challenge you tomorrow on 13th March 2024?? Pray France doesn't challenge you on this date..... it will be your Friday the 13th where France will be after Turkey like a Jason...... and Turkey running for its life....

192 S400 Air Defense Missiles in service to turn French Rafales into scrap of metal
also Turkish SIPER Air Defense System enter service this year

old RAFALE is not stealth F-35 .... even HISAR-RF AD System can hit Rafale if it enter Turkish air space

Also Turkish Air Force has 234 F-16s
163 CCIP modernized F-16s have network centric warfare capaability to work with 4 Boeing E-7T AEWCs

France is not a military power to frighten the Turkish Armed Forces

 

[lacy]

better than you ... When KAAN will have FOC that means 5+ generation capability which contain squadrons

even no need FOC against 24 RAFALE
initial operational capability will be enough ... ( offensive anti-air warfare )


Our Guys are not stupid to wait for 10 years
in 2028-2030 Greece will get 20 F-35s and Greek F35s will have FOC in 2032

and 20 KAAN will be delivered to the Turkish Air Force in 2028
GOKDOGAN air to air Missile is almost ready
AESA Radar will be ready until 2028

and in 2028-2030 period 20 KAAN will be combat ready against Greek Rafales and F35s

Even KIZILELMA will be combat ready in 2028-2030 period




The graphics were prepared by a retired pilot Major General and an engineer.


even block0 will have far lower RCS than RAFALE

No need to be an expert to know this

KAAN has stealth design
KAAN has advanced magnetic coating
also RAM panel layer and internal weapon bay for LOW RCS


and as like F-35 . Turkish KAAN has 240 kw main generator ( 2x 120 kw )
the electrical power generation is enough for 40kw BURFIS AESA Radar

and Aselsan BURFIS AESA Radar has 2.000+ GaN T/R modules
far better than RAFALE's RBE2 AESA Radar with 838 GaAs T/R modules

I'm not arguing against KAAN's(future) superiority over Rafale. Of course it should be better than the old French plane. It's a generational difference in the end. But the detection ranges you gave are bogus. No one knows BURFIS's true raw power or KAAN's RCS. The fact that you just pick the lower end RCS of "TFX Interest Area" in the graph does not hold water. I could easily pick the upper end or the middle value.

Another point is, we have not put any fighter jet into service, ever. If I were you, I would tone the trash talk a bit down. The schedules might slip. The engine might not be ready in time. We have just started the test campaign of the first prototype. The real problems lie ahead not behind.

 

[MMM-E]

I'm not arguing against KAAN's(future) superiority over Rafale. Of course it should be better than the old French plane. It's a generational difference in the end. But the detection ranges you gave are bogus. No one knows BURFIS's true raw power or KAAN's RCS. The fact that you just pick the lower end RCS of "TFX Interest Area" in the graph does not hold water. I could easily pick the upper end or the middle value.

They were based on the worst data ... ( 0.01 m2 RCS as of block-0 )
According to official claims KAAN will have 0.0030 m2 RCS when the project is completed

İts is an insult to KAAN to compare with old RAFALE

Even MURAD AESA Radar will be enough for RAFALE , F-15 , F-16 , SU-35 . etc
BURFIS Radar will be 2 x more powerful than MURAD Radar

BURFIS is a monster Radar and Our guys very well knows about it
therefore TAI says KAAN will detect F-16 . RAFALE from 175-200 km away
and to fire GOKHAN ramjet powered air to air Missile to beat F-16V and RAFALE in BVR combat

TAI says no need dog fight
our concept is to hit without being seen from long distance

first look first fire and first kill capability

1 -- Stealthy
2-- powerful AESA RADAR with GaN technology for long range detection
3-- Excellent EW capability with Aselsan FEWS EW Suite
4-- Augmented lethality with support of Artificial Intelligence and Neural Networks
5-- 200 km GOKHAN ramjet powered Air to Air Missile for long range engagement

 

[MMM-E]

Another point is, we have not put any fighter jet into service, ever. If I were you, I would tone the trash talk a bit down. The schedules might slip. The engine might not be ready in time. We have just started the test campaign of the first prototype. The real problems lie ahead not behind.

better worry about French Air Force which will have only Rafale until 2050


TAI says 20 KAAN will be delivered to the Turkish Air Force in 2028

Also KIZILELMA and ANKA-3 unmanned stealth Fighter Jets mass production start in 2024-2025

Also Turkish Air Force gets 270 F-16V with AESA Radars and AIM-120D ( C8 ) - GOKHAN long range Air to Air Missiles until 2030

Also 40 Eurofighter on agenda

even I am not talking about S400 and SIPER Block2 Air Defense Systems with range of 150-250-380 km


as like TF-2000 Destroyer which will the best Destroyer in Europe in 2027-2028 period


France is losing its power
on the other hand Turkiye is rising military power in NATO