Turkish Foreign Policy and Regional Geopolitics

[Cash gk]

And NATO settles this down,I read about it yesterday either on OnAlert or Ptisi.

Edit: Because allies and stuff.

Way things are going.. America will break NATO and then will use some member against other members

 

[Watandar]

Judging by the bitter back and forth in the thread alone, the Zionists must be laughing their heads off.

Greeks and Turks should back off and cool down.

 

[hyperman]

And yet it's still our territory,our homeland. Would you go between the sea of Java and say it's not Indonesian territory? Would you go between the Philippine islands and say "it's not a filipino lake"?

You go through specific points and for other points you can't get through,but it's more convenient,faster to pass,you logically ask for permission if it's a military ship or depending on the international agreements you just go through if it's a trade ship. The problem is,your government has been putting efforts to pass the idea that the vast majority of the Aegean is not part of Hellas. Which is wrong,because there's some 6,000 greek jurisdiction islands and islets of all kinds in the Aegean. Making it effectively,yes a "greek lake".

And that's why you're trembling in the idea of an expansion to 12 miles. Of course if you were honest and friendly,I mean truly friendly towards us and had no idiotic claims on matters settled a century ago,you would have absolutely no problem with a greek expansion to 12 naval miles. But you don't,you're afraid because your government has nasty plans. You want islands,you want EEZ that doesn't belong to you,you want wealth that's not yours to negotiate(Cyprus' EEZ),that's the problem. That's what has been keeping us from being two truly friendly countries (on the State level) the last 40 years.

If they declare or not, Turkey will ignore and sail ships tomorrow like it does today, like it did yesterday. You will not change conditions and then enforce a new reality. If You say don't come tomorrow, Turkey will still come with ships like nothing has changed.

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If you want to physically confront Turkey, thats your decision, but then that also carries consequences.

Turkey does not want island, Turkey wants access to the sea to remain as is. If you insist that the only way to access is via Island, then you will lose islands.

 

[Foinikas]

Turkey does not want island, Turkey wants access to the sea to remain as is. If you insist that the only way to access is via Island, then you will lose islands.

No,Turkey doesn't want access to the sea. You already have all that for your commercial ships. What your leaders and warhawks want is 50% of the Aegean to drill and for fishing.
And that's the problem.

There Aegean has around 6,000 islands and islets under Greek jurisdiction and ownership. Yet the Turkish narrative is "The Aegean Sea is not a greek lake".

@Watandar it's ridiculous. Their leadership comes up with every kind of weird excuse to claim this and that,but Turkish State-owned media always portray them as the poor victims,who are peaceful and only want peace and good neighborhood,but here's the catch: We can only have that if you give yours to us,because Turkiye is a big country and a big country cannot be restricted.

 

[Cash gk]

No,Turkey doesn't want access to the sea. You already have all that for your commercial ships. What your leaders and warhawks want is 50% of the Aegean to drill and for fishing.
And that's the problem.

There Aegean has around 6,000 islands and islets under Greek jurisdiction and ownership. Yet the Turkish narrative is "The Aegean Sea is not a greek lake".

@Watandar it's ridiculous. Their leadership comes up with every kind of weird excuse to claim this and that,but Turkish State-owned media always portray them as the poor victims,who are peaceful and only want peace and good neighborhood,but here's the catch: We can only have that if you give yours to us,because Turkiye is a big country and a big country cannot be restricted.

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Traitor Atatürk was happy on a small piece of land after giving away half of the map of the world. It is like you have a house of 100 square meters and you give away 95 square meters and you are happy on 5 square meters.

 

[Oublious]

No,Turkey doesn't want access to the sea. You already have all that for your commercial ships. What your leaders and warhawks want is 50% of the Aegean to drill and for fishing.
And that's the problem.

There Aegean has around 6,000 islands and islets under Greek jurisdiction and ownership. Yet the Turkish narrative is "The Aegean Sea is not a greek lake".

@Watandar it's ridiculous. Their leadership comes up with every kind of weird excuse to claim this and that,but Turkish State-owned media always portray them as the poor victims,who are peaceful and only want peace and good neighborhood,but here's the catch: We can only have that if you give yours to us,because Turkiye is a big country and a big country cannot be restricted.

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Bs post, you are mixing territorial waters with EEZ. This wil not save your face....

 

[hyperman]

You already have all that for your commercial ships.

Who told you I'm talking about some just commercial ships? lol

I'm talking about ships. As in Commercial and Military. A Turkish frigate or Submarine sails from Adana to Istanbul. Its none of you business. And Turkey is willing to fight if you do want to make it your business.

Thats the status quo right now with 6, its considered international waters, and the Ships sailed like this for decades before, and they sail like this now, and they will sail like this tomorrow, you want to stop them, then except them to fight back. You WILL NOT change the current status quo, b/c if you change the Status quo, Turkiye will also change the Status quo. Simple as that.

Want to keep you Islands? don't interfere with the status quo of the seas. If your daddies have convinced you otherwise, and you want to test the dynamics, then come find out.

 

[Foinikas]

Bs post, you are mixing territorial waters with EEZ. This wil not save your face....

Save face? We're legit,the ones inventing new theories are you "Islands don't have EEZ"according to Turkey. A world first!

 

[Oublious]

Save face? We're legit,the ones inventing new theories are you "Islands don't have EEZ"according to Turkey. A world first!

According not to Turkiye, the problem is Foni playing the dumb guy and calculating that other peoples are dumb is a dumb idea. When you read a book try to read from begin to end. Ther is article in UNCLOS what give the definition of island and Greece is not. When your leaders are stupid and do not dare to go to court people like you will defend it.


What is an island under unclos?

Greece is not a ISLAND, if all that small islands are small country thats a different story.

PREAMBLE TO THE UNITED NATIONS CONVENTION ON THE LAW OF THE SEA

1. An island is a naturally formed area of land, surrounded by water, which is above water at high tide.

2. Except as provided for in paragraph 3, the territorial sea, the contiguous zone, the exclusive economic zone and the continental shelf of an island are determined in accordance with the provisions of this Convention applicable to other land territory.

3. Rocks which cannot sustain human habitation or economic life of their own shall have no exclusive economic zone or continental shelf.


Pharagraph 3 says all that stupid greecs island what you demand eez and continental shelf do not have.

But your goverment claims it can have.


In the end you will come to fight for it, with little zionistand and half country cyprus. Like Fidan describe it 2.5 countries.​

 

[Oublious]

Unclos simple to understand and not stupid stories from Greece.

ENCLOSED OR SEMI-ENCLOSED SEAS​

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Article122

Definition​

For the purposes of this Convention, "enclosed or semi-enclosed sea" means a gulf, basin or sea surrounded by two or more States and connected to another sea or the ocean by a narrow outlet or consisting entirely or primarily of the territorial seas and exclusive economic zones of two or more coastal States.

Article123

Cooperation of States bordering enclosed or semi-enclosed seas​

States bordering an enclosed or semi-enclosed sea should cooperate with each other in the exercise of their rights and in the performance of their duties under this Convention. To this end they shall endeavour, directly or through an appropriate regional organization:

(a) to coordinate the management, conservation, exploration and exploitation of the living resources of the sea;

(b) to coordinate the implementation of their rights and duties with respect to the protection and preservation of the marine environment;

(c) to coordinate their scientific research policies and undertake where appropriate joint programmes of scientific research in the area;

(d) to invite, as appropriate, other interested States or international organizations to cooperate with them in furtherance of the provisions of this article.

https://www.un.org/depts/los/convention_agreements/texts/unclos/part9.htm

 

[Foinikas]

According not to Turkiye, the problem is Foni playing the dumb guy and calculating that other peoples are dumb is a dumb idea. When you read a book try to read from begin to end. Ther is article in UNCLOS what give the definition of island and Greece is not. When your leaders are stupid and do not dare to go to court people like you will defend it.


What is an island under unclos?

Greece is not a ISLAND, if all that small islands are small country thats a different story.

PREAMBLE TO THE UNITED NATIONS CONVENTION ON THE LAW OF THE SEA

1. An island is a naturally formed area of land, surrounded by water, which is above water at high tide.

2. Except as provided for in paragraph 3, the territorial sea, the contiguous zone, the exclusive economic zone and the continental shelf of an island are determined in accordance with the provisions of this Convention applicable to other land territory.

3. Rocks which cannot sustain human habitation or economic life of their own shall have no exclusive economic zone or continental shelf.


Pharagraph 3 says all that stupid greecs island what you demand eez and continental shelf do not have.

But your goverment claims it can have.


In the end you will come to fight for it, with little zionistand and half country cyprus. Like Fidan describe it 2.5 countries.​

Wrong again,you'll never learn








Islands do generate EEZ.

 

[Oublious]

Wrong again,you'll never learn

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Islands do generate EEZ.

lol AI....

you can play the game foni, unclos is not AI...

Copy paste it, the article is simple....


PREAMBLE TO THE UNITED NATIONS CONVENTION ON THE LAW OF THE SEA

1. An island is a naturally formed area of land, surrounded by water, which is above water at high tide.

2. Except as provided for in paragraph 3, the territorial sea, the contiguous zone, the exclusive economic zone and the continental shelf of an island are determined in accordance with the provisions of this Convention applicable to other land territory.

3. Rocks which cannot sustain human habitation or economic life of their own shall have no exclusive economic zone or continental shelf.

 

[Foinikas]

Unclos simple to understand and not stupid stories from Greece.

​

ENCLOSED OR SEMI-ENCLOSED SEAS​

​

---

Article122

Definition​

For the purposes of this Convention, "enclosed or semi-enclosed sea" means a gulf, basin or sea surrounded by two or more States and connected to another sea or the ocean by a narrow outlet or consisting entirely or primarily of the territorial seas and exclusive economic zones of two or more coastal States.

Article123

Cooperation of States bordering enclosed or semi-enclosed seas​

States bordering an enclosed or semi-enclosed sea should cooperate with each other in the exercise of their rights and in the performance of their duties under this Convention. To this end they shall endeavour, directly or through an appropriate regional organization:

(a) to coordinate the management, conservation, exploration and exploitation of the living resources of the sea;

(b) to coordinate the implementation of their rights and duties with respect to the protection and preservation of the marine environment;

(c) to coordinate their scientific research policies and undertake where appropriate joint programmes of scientific research in the area;

(d) to invite, as appropriate, other interested States or international organizations to cooperate with them in furtherance of the provisions of this article.

https://www.un.org/depts/los/convention_agreements/texts/unclos/part9.htm

Don't cry

 

[Oublious]

lol go cry to AI...


PREAMBLE TO THE UNITED NATIONS CONVENTION ON THE LAW OF THE SEA

1. An island is a naturally formed area of land, surrounded by water, which is above water at high tide.

2. Except as provided for in paragraph 3, the territorial sea, the contiguous zone, the exclusive economic zone and the continental shelf of an island are determined in accordance with the provisions of this Convention applicable to other land territory.

3. Rocks which cannot sustain human habitation or economic life of their own shall have no exclusive economic zone or continental shelf.

 

[GoatsMilk]

Judging by the bitter back and forth in the thread alone, the Zionists must be laughing their heads off.

Greeks and Turks should back off and cool down.

You frame it like there is equal blame. Greeks supported the armenian occupation of Azerbaijan. The Greeks supported the illegal annexation and ethnic cleansing of Muslim Turks in Cyprus. They have also supported and harboured PKK terrorists, including providing passports to Ocalan. The Greeks just recently allied with Isreal and basically shat on the entire brown skinned Muslim world. These are just recent events.

Now after Syria was liberated they are making bold demands about extending their waters in the sea of islands.