Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Meengla]

The greater gain is not inflicting pain on Israel, but reducing the freedom of movement that the Jordanians/Qataris/Bahrain provide to the US for these operations. The next operation just becomes alot harder for the US and Israel, if these countries do not collaborate, and that is worth more than hitting targets in Israel imho.

The 12 day war last year was already made much more difficult because the regional countries had denied the use of their bases and right now it is just speculation that the regional countries are going to provide the support.
I still maintain: Hit the source of this conflict, which is Israel, and hit it hard. HARD!

 

[VCheng]

We are discussing an imminent war here, if that happens, and the limited resources argument is in that context. But of course long term Iran has to develop its economy and build a very strong missile attacking capability.

I am hoping there will either be no war, or a limited one at that, so that both sides are able to figure out a better and mutually beneficial path forward.

 

[RocketLaw]

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Bahrain/Qatar -> Egypt?

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[Meengla]

I am hoping there will either be no war, or a limited one at that, so that both sides are able to figure out a better and mutually beneficial path forward.

I am hoping that too. But the conditions for 'peace' Netanyahu had put forth last year was nothing short of asking for a demilitarized Iran. Once that were to happen then Netanyahu would bomb Iran at will, like he does to Lebanon and Syria.

 

[tsunset]

If USA attacks IR, could our AD collapse?!

USA is a beast militarily, Israel, Russia or China are vast jokes compared to the US, just look at how Baghdad got pounded in the opening of the war

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This is unbelievable, unprecedented pounding in modern history, Israel attacking Iran is a massive joke compared to this, also notice the use of cluster bombs which are devastating and cause thousands of casualties at each hit

They've got way more, way better jets and systems than Russia, China or Israel, more warships, more missiles, more bombs, more PGMs, more and better everything

So if the US plans a full scale war with no limit like Baghdad (which i doubt will happen), the AD will inevitably collapse very fast

 

[mangekyo]

And declare atleast our own Shias as Non-Muslims. Iran should be a non muslim country at the very least at state level. It will help Iran stay away from MENA problems in general and specifically intra-semite conflicts. Safavis did this beautiful trick and we saw one after another huge Iranian empires after that stretching from borders of North Indic plains to Caucusus. Its time to move one step further. Look at Turkey, Azerbaijan. We share blood with one and other is a by force seceded part of Iran. Both of them are loyal to Israel and west to the core but their people are safe and thriving. Persian Gulf Arab kingdoms are themselves distancing themselves from Islamic identity very fast. Empty barks aside, how many of them even fired a single bullet in direction of Israel when Sunni Arab holocaust is still going on ? Egypt and Jordan see ethnocleansing of Arabs from their border posts daily in gaza and west bank, do they do anything to Israel? lol Jordanian midget king was trying to shoot Iranian drones to save Israel. Thats the reality of "Islamic world". The other half is surviving on Western debts. IRI Mullahs out of their Islamism or principles tried sacrificing Iran to fight Israel for what exactly is beyond me.

We are a 3000 years old nation state or an empire that stretched edges of continent. Well my kind joined y'all 800 years ago but we adapted Iran as our homeland and have stayed loyal to extremes. Out of this span we have been a free nation for 80% of the time. Compare this to others around us. What are these Mullahs trying to fight and sacrifice Iran for ? Shah left them worlds 12th largest GDP and 4th largest/funded military and they turned Iran into a DPRK. I just wish this new tussle with US+Israel results in coup by IRGC and they turn Iran into Putins Russia 2.0 only West and Jew allied like Erdogan's Turkey.

True. Iran as a Shia isamist nation cant coexist in a Sunni dominated world. Its only 50 years or so Shias gained status as Muslims. Jews are people of the book. Shias are mushrikeen or ahl al-bidaa at best.

The Sunni world is Turkish oriented, and by that NATO oriented and ultimately zion oriented. Irans anti-imperialist, anti-Zionist Islamist ideology is defacto anti-Sunni due to their connection with zion. This is why Arabs and Turks were objecting Iranian influence and AoR while having no problem with Zionism.

Hopefully IRGC has noted this and has planned accordingly

 

[VCheng]

I am hoping that too. But the conditions for 'peace' Netanyahu had put forth last year was nothing short of asking for a demilitarized Iran. Once that were to happen then Netanyahu would bomb Iran at will, like he does to Lebanon and Syria.

Both sides are going to want more than they are willing to give in return, but then that is the art of international geopolitics to find a workable middle ground, with each side having to accommodate the other, to gain a little of what they want in return.

 

[Bharatah]

True. Iran as a Shia isamist nation cant coexist in a Sunni dominated world. Its only 50 years or so Shias gained status as Muslims. Jews are people of the book. Shias are mushrikeen or ahl al-bidaa at best.

The Sunni world is Turkish oriented, and by that NATO oriented and ultimately zion oriented. Irans anti-imperialist, anti-Zionist Islamist ideology is defacto anti-Sunni due to their connection with zion. This is why Arabs and Turks were objecting Iranian influence and AoR while having no problem with Zionism.

Hopefully IRGC has noted this and has planned accordingly

Sunnis have recognized Shiites since the year 1 of the Islamic calendar. Ali was the caliph of the Sunnis, and the Sunni schools of thought were originally created by Hanifa, who was a disciple of Jafar al-Sadiq (Shiite leader and 6th Imam of the Shiites).
You are confusing puppets of Zionism and Wahhabis with Sunnis. Sunni is a branch of Islam that begins with Abu Bakr and is made up of schools of thought and tariqas (today, schools of thought and tariqas are prohibited by Zionism and the USA in old muslim world sunni). Present-day Turkey is not Ottoman, it does not have a sultan, present-day Turkey is part of NATO and controlled by Zionist Jews, as are the rest of the monasteries in the Middle East, with the small exception of Qatar.
Shiites and Sunnis have coexisted since the beginning of Islam and officially recognize each other.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

I am hoping there will either be no war, or a limited one at that, so that both sides are able to figure out a better and mutually beneficial path forward.

there is also a way out for IRGC, in case of full scale war!

a coup!

either way, IRGC will be tested..

but

this will make it worse for Pak!

 

[VCheng]

there is also a way out for IRGC, in case of full scale war!

a coup!

either way, IRGC will be tested..

but

this will make it worse for Pak!

What Iran decides to do must be up to the Iranian government. Coups can be messy and disorderly, and should be avoided if at all possible. A peaceful change in policy and government is the better option, if that is what Iran decides to do, or not.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

What Iran decides to do must be up to the Iranian government. Coups can be messy and disorderly, and should be avoided if at all possible. A peaceful change in policy and government is the better option, if that is what Iran decides to do, or not.

outcome of the war, will enhance our 'strategic' understanding it seems!

unless of course, we are either KGB or CIA

 

[VCheng]

outcome of the war, will enhance our 'strategic' understanding it seems!

unless of course, we are either KGB or CIA

Let us avoid war if at all possible, shall we?

 

[Ali_Baba]

The 12 day war last year was already made much more difficult because the regional countries had denied the use of their bases and right now it is just speculation that the regional countries are going to provide the support.
I still maintain: Hit the source of this conflict, which is Israel, and hit it hard. HARD!

Agree - it all depends on which countries do indeed get involved with logistics(eg air-to-air refuellers ) or not.

 

[Meengla]

Agree - it all depends on which countries do indeed get involved with logistics(eg air-to-air refuellers g) or not.

Concentrate on the source of the conflict, which is Israel, using the limited resources of Iran. No skin off Israel's back if Muslim countries target each other but even one destroyed building in Tel Aviv is a big consideration for Israel.

 

[RocketLaw]

USA is a beast militarily, Israel, Russia or China are vast jokes compared to the US, just look at how Baghdad got pounded in the opening of the war

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This is unbelievable, unprecedented pounding in modern history, Israel attacking Iran is a massive joke compared to this, also notice the use of cluster bombs which are devastating and cause thousands of casualties at each hit

They've got way more, way better jets and systems than Russia, China or Israel, more warships, more missiles, more bombs, more PGMs, more and better everything

So if the US plans a full scale war with no limit like Baghdad (which i doubt will happen), the AD will inevitably collapse very fast

Well, I've seen this before. Just shock and awe.

Russia did exactly same thing on Ukraine (first-five days earlier). Israel did same thing to Palestine/Lebanon (weak countries).

Nothing special on that.