Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

Corax said:
I knew they would do this, mark aircraft with the bort numbers claimed by the PAF to show they weren't shot down. It's like back in 2019 when they flew the Su30MKI call sign formation lol how stupid must the indian populace be to believe that, I mean it's not like bort numbers can't be painted and "call signs" be transferred to other aircraft lol
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Avenger !! !!
 
flyingorca said:
Hey did you ask AI to respond to the post like a (uck. Thats what your post looks like.
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Nope...I am old school...an old f***rt . I don't use AI except for certain R & D Machine Systems design simulations . That too to only confirm my thumb rule estimates. I ditch my calculator once in a while to do long division manually 108765/52 just to keep my mind sharp.
Here's a true story that inspires me.

The USA tested its first plutonium nuclear device code-named "Trinity," on July 16, 1945, . it was hung on a 100-foot tower at the Alamogordo Bombing Range in New Mexico. There were hundreds of sensors recording shock, pressure, temperature. wind velocity placed in concentric ring arrangements around the tower to record the effects of the blast . There was no instant data transfer in those days and the readings of each sensor would have to be manually collected, noted tabulated and then used in complex calculations that would be done manually by dozens of technicians, to estimate the power of the blast. A process that would take at least one full day
There were a group of scientists observing the blast from a safe distance some miles away and amongst them was Enrico Fermi. Just before the blast Fermi tore up his identity card into small pieces each the size of 5 mm square. He held the bits of card in his fist and waited for the blast. Even from that distance the blast produced a gust of wind felt by Fermi and he released the bits of card into the wind, He then measured the distance they fell, pacing the distance in steps . By extrapolating and through empirically calculating he estimated the blast yield at about 24.8 kilotons, which was pretty close to the actual blast yield of 25 kilotons. No Artificial Intelligence needed . Just human , brain power and logic.
I am not as smart as Enrico Fermi but I use extrapolation all the time.
 
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Mighty_Dragon_Strike said:
true, but, if they take first strike then we are doomed
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if they do that, they will get response too

Ghauri's and Shaheen3 can rain on them too, and it won't be a pretty sight anywhere on the entire region.

let them start a MAD war.
 
Master Chief said:
The French are a slimy bunch. They may well acquiesce to IAF's special request. We saw Macron's pathetic text to Trump speaking of "great things on Iran". Goodness knows they still have wet dreams of conquering all "saracen lands". The French hide their true ambitions as a matter of course.
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they're whores for money.......money can make them do anything........its well-known what money can do with the corrupt french govt and their vendors
i'm sure indian bribe to them is working well, with a promise of some more when they order the next 114 rafales......lots of money to be made on both sides by some very corrupt men in high places

Let's not underestimate our kills or achievements of our military. Do not fall for their propaganda or social media bullshit
 
Baibers_1260 said:
Nope...I am old school...an old f***rt . I don't use AI except for certain R & D Machine Systems design simulations . That too to only confirm my thumb rule estimates. I ditch my calculator once in a while to do long division manually 108765/52 just to keep my mind sharp.
Here's a true story that inspires me.

The USA tested its first plutonium nuclear device code-named "Trinity," on July 16, 1945, . it was hung on a 100-foot tower at the Alamogordo Bombing Range in New Mexico. There were hundreds of sensors recording shock, pressure, temperature. wind velocity placed in concentric ring arrangements around the tower to record the effects of the blast . There was no instant data transfer in those days and the readings of each sensor would have to be manually collected, noted tabulated and then used in complex calculations that would be done manually by dozens of technicians, to estimate the power of the blast. A process that would take at least one full day
There were a group of scientists observing the blast from a safe distance some miles away and amongst them was Enrico Fermi. Just before the blast Fermi tore up his identity card into small pieces each the size of 5 mm square. He held the bits of card in his fist and waited for the blast. Even from that distance the blast produced a gust of wind felt by Fermi and he released the bits of card into the wind, He then measured the distance they fell, pacing the distance in steps . By extrapolating and through empirically calculating he estimated the blast yield at about 24.8 kilotons, which was pretty close to the actual blast yield of 25 kilotons. No Artificial Intelligence needed . Just human , brain power and logic.
I am not as smart as Enrico Fermi but I use extrapolation all the time.
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Sorry, i just took your opinion bit too far.

Btw, we are not Indians never were and never will be. Please understand the fact todays India and Indians are not the same as of pre 1947. Just like todays Israel is not the same as Biblical Israel.
Before the British Raj, the name India was just a name given to subcontinent region and the people who lived their never called themselves Indians. The British Raj unified all the tribes, kingdoms etc under their rule and slapped the name Indian on the locals. Only during this time the name was formalized. Modern day India and Indians are just carrying over the name that was given to them by the colonials.
Pakistan name is more indigenous then India since the name was chosen by locals.
 
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Oscar said:
Which BS? 1,22 or 23?

However, it is also possible that the aircraft PAF marked as hit were potentially damaged and are now back in flyable condition.

It is also likely that without actual images of the wreckage you can paint any serial onto it especially if the manufacturer is in on it and I would not put it beneath Dassault to do so since their CEO claims none were shot down.
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I think with the radar assets PAF had operational, it would be very very easy to discern an actual shot down target (target loses speed and altitude rapidly) verses a target that was hit, but still flyable and hence maintained a manned flyable path back somewhere.....so if PAF claimed those two confirmed kills, then it would be.

Remember there has been absolute silence by IAF on their losses.....and they are low and vile enough to repaint their rafales or anything so really that doesn't prove anything.

Dassault is looking at another multi billion euro fleecing opportunity, imagine the shit show when instead of 1 they have to admit 4 rafales were hit for none kills in return........doesn't really bode well for Rafale marketing team.....
 
falcon34 said:
@Panzerkiel
I think it's time you tell us another target of the second wave of strikes
And secondly do we footage of any kind that would released at some point
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I respectfully disagree. @Panzerkiel and others in the profession should keep everything they possibly can secret - for various reasons. Just my opinion on the matter. If we can figure things out by open source, good. If not, let us continue preparing for the next incident. Open source has already demonstrated that there is nothing to actually doubt regarding the performance of our armed forces in the field, therefore, it is not our side that needs any "proof".
 
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