India is incomplete without Pakistan: Indian Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajapayee

[Baibers_1260]

I agree none of it matters, and neither does it matter how you see it

Why does Pakistan have to figure in your elections?

 

[vasanthm]

Well .. that says a lot about the cultural disconnect between Northern and Southern cultures in India where one set of people have no clue about what the Prime Minister up North is saying. I wonder if even the Independence Day speeches from the ramparts of the crumbling Red Fort are translated.
But then North Indians wouldn't know what Prime Minister Dev Gowda was writing either, I will have to research that once I find a Kannadiga associate,

I doubt Deve Gowda himself knew anything at all

 

[vasanthm]

Why does Pakistan have to figure in your elections?

I also wonder but I guess the masses are gullible and maybe their grand kids would be better

 

[Baibers_1260]

I also wonder but I guess the masses are gullible and maybe their grand kids would be better

India shouldn't figure in our elections either... It does but to a lesser extent. India shares the honors with Afghanistan.. and our elections need fixing, but that's a different issue.

 

[Muji.Iqbal]

I agree none of it matters, and neither does it matter how you see it

Nor does it matter how you see it you moron.

UN says Kashmir is a dispute to be resolved through plebiscite. We have the moral ground, what do you have?

 

[Vikramaditya1]

I would suggest you read the "idiotic " question once again . . which was how much these territories contribute to the Indian economy and how much bailout is needed.

Places you quoted, except Goa and pondicherry almost every place is sucking up money.

Also we are not discussing J & K ( actually it is Kashmir and Ladakh now) to "death". Since it is a vassal territory.. just a rough figure how much the territory of Kashmir ( we can leave out Ladakh) contributes to the Indian economy and how much bailout is needed.

Not much, it's also a larger discussion I don't want to get into but I'll say this, the state of J&K incl Ladakh is a net negative on us. That is they take more money than they give to the tax payers.

I said I left Hyderabad out, though it is debatable if Cyberabad, Gacchibawli, and Kondapur contribute more in foreign exchange earnings or the "poor " districts in the Charminar Area where every family has at least one member employed in the GCC countries with considerable sums of foreign exchange remittances. Do you have any comparable data? The comparison would be interesting.

Haha why do you need comparable data on small municipil regions we are not talking about internal issues in India.
Take any city in India that is booming it'll be run by either BJP or a regional party. Even places like Kerala where BJP has almost zero presence, the capital city is run by BJP.

On Pakistan:
Could you answer my question to you in the post below?

Post in thread 'India is incomplete without Pakistan: Indian Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajapayee'
https://defencepk.com/forums/thread...ster-atal-bihari-vajapayee.30031/post-1116987

( Note : Double negatives don't enhance the argument . You don't say "aint no one who would want", but "there is no one who would want ... " or "there isn't anyone who would want ".. . Answer to that is the Vishwaguru's mentor Shri Atal Bihari Vajpayee wanted Pakistan . )

Yes the answer is nobody caveats Pakistan. ABV is dead and the new crop of leaders have no interest in adding Pakistan. It doesn't matter how many times you try to explain away his comments, if you ask any Indian, his answer would be an emphatic no.

 

[vasanthm]

Nor does it matter how you see it you moron.

UN says Kashmir is a dispute to be resolved through plebiscite. We have the moral ground, what do you have?

Moral ground? UN? Ok

 

[Muji.Iqbal]

Moral ground? UN? Ok

And what is India's arguments? We want land? So let there be war.

Pakistan has the stronger arguments. The land belongs to the people that live there.

Don't you believe in democracy? then hold a plebiscite.

 

[vasanthm]

And what is India's arguments? We want land? So let there be war.

Pakistan has the stronger arguments. The land belongs to the people that live there.

Don't you believe in democracy? then hold a plebiscite.

We hold elections there regularly, do you hold them in Pakistan, let alone Kashmir? What's your argument for not holding fair elections in your country

 

[Muji.Iqbal]

We hold elections there regularly, do you hold them in Pakistan, let alone Kashmir? What's your argument for not holding fair elections in your country

You moron, your elections are flawed. Lets hold elections in a united Kashmir, and see what the Kashmiri people want. United Nations does not recognize your flawed elections in Jammu and Kashmir or Ladakh. Its about all of Kashmir, you dolt.

 

[vasanthm]

You moron, your elections are flawed. Lets hold elections in a united Kashmir, and see what the Kashmiri people want. United Nations does not recognize your flawed elections in Jammu and Kashmir or Ladakh. Its about all of Kashmir, you dolt.

First learn to hold 'fair' election in the rest of your own country first

 

[Muji.Iqbal]

First learn to hold 'fair' election in the rest of your own country first

Stop being an idiot. This is not about elections in Pakistan. This is about plebiscite in Kashmir, and asking the will of the Kashmiri people what they want Pakistan or India or Independence.

Many Pakistanis would accept an independent Kashmir you know ruled by the Kashmiri people.

This is about self-determination and independence, stop denying the Kashmiri people their rights!

If Gilgit-Baltistan, Azad Kashmir, Kashmir Valley, Jammu, and Ladakh become one country ruled by the Kashmiri majority, then some Pakistanis may accept that arrangement.



This is about the rights of Kashmiri people you dolt. This is a compromise if the Kashmiri people don't want India or Pakistan.

 

[Vikramaditya1]

Presently, they are vassals of India. But it can and will change, soon enough.

As for your "land" argument, I doubt you would want all this irradiated territory following the Kirana Hills incident.

You celebrate too early. Every neighbours in India have this anti India arc it's funny to watch as it unfolds then they quietly turn things around.

There used to be a Sri Lankan guy whom you guys used to cheer for his anti India stance but the guy went AWOL as soon as the Lanka crisis began. 10 bucks says BD will be the same and there is already a beginning of hardships due to losing market access and free trades with India. That is without India taking any major stances.

 

[vasanthm]

Stop being an idiot. This is not about elections in Pakistan. This is about plebiscite in Kashmir, and asking the will of the Kashmiri people what they want Pakistan or India or Independence.

Many Pakistanis would accept an independent Kashmir you know ruled by the Kashmiri people.

This is about self-determination and independence, stop denying the Kashmiri people their rights!

If Gilgit-Baltistan, Azad Kashmir, Kashmir Valley, Jammu, and Ladakh become one country ruled by the Kashmiri majority, then some Pakistanis may accept that arrangement.
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This is about the rights of Kashmiri people you dolt. This is a compromise if the Kashmiri people don't want India or Pakistan.

They can have self determination inside the borders of ther state but sorry no seperate country, hope you guys get freedom from your janrals first and are able to elect a proper civilian government before worrying abt democracy for others

 

[Muji.Iqbal]

They can have self determination inside the borders of ther state but sorry no seperate country, hope you guys get freedom from your janrals first and are able to elect a proper civilian government before worrying abt democracy for others

Sorry idiot. We want our generals in power. They are loyal to Pakistan first before anyone else.

Kashmiris want to be independent, and have a right to have a country of their own.

There were other compromises as well, like the Chenab formula but India rejected that option as well, that India gets Southern Jammu.


Pakistan being ruled is irrelevant to the Kashmiri demands of self-determination.