Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Watandar]

I am a conservative American who is very much anti-Iran because its actions and rhetoric have destabilized the Middle East for 45 years, thereby necessitating far too much American involvement, costing us American lives and trillions of dollars of "treasure". However, I do believe that if Trump starts a war with Iran, he will lose millions of conservative Americans like me. We do not want to be the World's policeman, nor do we want to enable Israel to dominate and bully it's neighbors. If Trump attacks Iran, he will definitely lose the House of Representatives and there will be no JD Vance or other Republican successor in 2028. He might get away with a pin prick attack, but not something that precipitates a major conflict and destruction across many Middle Eastern nations. Because of Trump's huge bombast and bullying this past year, rather than concentrating on domestic problems, he is already on very thin ice with voters like me. An attack on Iran in the present circumstances is totally unjustified. If he does it, he will become a lame duck President. Unfortunately, a very dangerous one. VCheng is correct. We all need to survive the next 2-3 years and he will be gone. Pray for that.

The biggest destablizer in the Mideast is America, who took over the role from the previous champions Britain and France after WW2. Nobody comes close.

You have received permission to drop the "no more wars" mask also.

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[kastor ville]

I am a conservative American who is very much anti-Iran because its actions and rhetoric have destabilized the Middle East for 45 years, thereby necessitating far too much American involvement, costing us American lives and trillions of dollars of "treasure". However, I do believe that if Trump starts a war with Iran, he will lose millions of conservative Americans like me. We do not want to be the World's policeman, nor do we want to enable Israel to dominate and bully it's neighbors. If Trump attacks Iran, he will definitely lose the House of Representatives and there will be no JD Vance or other Republican successor in 2028. He might get away with a pin prick attack, but not something that precipitates a major conflict and destruction across many Middle Eastern nations. Because of Trump's huge bombast and bullying this past year, rather than concentrating on domestic problems, he is already on very thin ice with voters like me. An attack on Iran in the present circumstances is totally unjustified. If he does it, he will become a lame duck President. Unfortunately, a very dangerous one. VCheng is correct. We all need to survive the next 2-3 years and he will be gone. Pray for that.

Welcome...we both have bad leadership at the highest level...all that money wasted on the nuclear program in Iran, all that money wasted on 2 useless wars for israel by the US.
We have more in common than we think.

PS: to echo the other poster...yes, iran veered off the deep end in the beginning of the revolution...but the ME was destabilized long before Iran's upheaval. You just have to read further...also, try and find impartial sources to really find the truth

 

[Bharatah]

IRi has support, no doubt but nobody knows to what extent.

For the West, Khamenei would be an amazing trophy to kidnap and a satisfying kill if possible. Trump has claimed back in July he stopped the Israelis from assassinating him, but that was because Trump wanted a "deal". The deal being presented is a surrender instrument and most likely will be rejected, hence even Trump has no use for him now.

Yes, which suits the West and GCC just fine. They need bad guys to sell weapons.

They have already taken this risk and have the strictest security. It's why they go around assassinating everyone else.

Sunnis did nothing over a genocide in Gaza , why would they bother with Khamenei ? The Sunnis could care less, just look at that revolting "board of peace". Long term if Iran and Shias are further radicalized , that fits nicely with the "New Middle East" that Abraham's Accords and Abraham's Shield are building towards. That New Middle East envisions Shia as the bad guys anyway against the civilized, progressive Muslims and their Western/Israeli allies.

To me it all adds up and these other scenarios are a disinformation.

I agree with a lot what you said but i desagree about "Sunnis", let me explain my point of view because i'm muslim and a sunni :

1. Don't confuse Wahhabism with Sunni Islam.
2. Don't confuse countries created by zionist treaties and that have many Sunnis within them as "Sunni nations." In fact, in the Sunni religion/Islam in general, the notion of "country" as the West implants it today doesn't even exist.
3. There hasn't been a Sunni military front since the fall of the Sultan (1908). Young Turks and Atatürk were already secular, controlled by Zionism/the West, and even banned the veil, Islam in general, and even tariqas.
4. That's why these countries did nothing for the Palestinians, as they are puppet governments of the West/Israel (with the small exception of some politics within Qatar; the rest is all dominated).
5. Present-day Turkey is controlled by NATO, with American and European bases and even a US atomic bomb inside the country; they are hostages.
6- Because the current West is controlled by the Zionist Jewish lobby, every Muslim is portrayed as a terrorist here, in the media, etc. The notion of "progressive Muslim" only exists in the minds of those being manipulated; in the media, every Muslim is a terrorist, and those who obey the US are depicted as uncivilized and weak like native Indians in old americas.

NOTE: I'll try to explain it another way. Brazil is a country currently dominated by the US/Israel. Now imagine that a country like Brazil (which has only 1% Muslim population) converted en masse to Islam and ended up with 70-80% Sunni Muslims. Would it become an "Islamic nation"?... No, in reality, it would be a place dominated by the US and Israel with a lot of Sunni Muslims inside. That's exactly what Turkey, Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Jordan, Egypt, Tunisia, Morocco, etc. are...

 

[Shags101]

may I suggest that you use more full stops and line breaks to make your posts easier to read.

I don’t disagree at all my wife says the same thing about my texts

 

[Liquidator]

The world will thank Iran if it manages to destroy or severely damage Trumps "armada" and put an end to this madness. The hegemony will be a few steps closer to collapse and a more stable planet.

The USA will not go in lightly. It will be shock and awe. Their primary targets will be BM launch sites to protect their rabid dog. Once Iran is defanged, they can take their time.

Iran shouldn't wait to get bitch slapped. Fight. Enjoy it.

 

[Beast89]

The world will thank Iran if it manages to destroy or severely damage Trumps "armada" and put an end to this madness. The hegemony will be a few steps closer to collapse and a more stable planet.

The USA will not go in lightly. It will be shock and awe. Their primary targets will be BM launch sites to protect their rabid dog. Once Iran is defanged, they can take their time.

Iran shouldn't wait to get bitch slapped. Fight. Enjoy it.

Has USA or jews ever shown mercy? Trump will go all in - as Epstein has him good. Axis needs to go all in, to complicate USA and Israel

 

[Beast89]

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Jews have always got what they wanted these last couple of years, Epstein was their greatest master-stroke.

 

[Shags101]

Seriously though I have been looking at all bases from turkey to Kuwait to Qatar to etc honestly most are between 100 to 300 miles as long as Iran actually does have its finger on the metaphorical button and have many of these short range missiles ready to go again I don’t know how many they can launch but fire off a lot of older models send in new accurate srbm right after could do a ton of damage.

 

[SolarWarden]

As an armchair Iranian general what I see is a coming attack since I won't be giving in to the demands of Grande Satan so before I lose my offensive capability or severely gets degraded I'd launch a missile attack on US bases on Arab peninsula and launch all naval vessels and close the strait and do as much damage as possible since I'm going to get decapitated might as well go out with as much damage on the other side. Don't be Saddam like in Desert Storm.

Now my birds eye view/opinion with why there are no squadrons of F-35's and F-22's like 2025 strike on nuke facilities... I think Iran hasn't been able to recover the loss of the many advance IADS it had before the 12 day war. The final days of that war IDF was flying F-15Is over Iran with impunity also we still don't know the damage on Iran's ballistic missile plants during the 12 day war if they have been able to replenish what they used and lost during the conflict. I think we're still weeks away and squadrons of US 5th gens could still arrive but if I was Iran I wouldn't wait any longer. You're damn if you do and damn if you don't I rather be damn for doing than damn for not doing.

 

[Mr Iran Eye]

Khamenei is not Nasrallah because he must have a very deep bunker underground, beneath a huge mountain. And he must have other passages to reach various locations. If he were to be killed, it would be a huge, pre-arranged farce. He must be extremely well protected.

 

[Watandar]

Khamenei is not Nasrallah because he must have a very deep bunker underground, beneath a huge mountain. And he must have other passages to reach various locations. If he were to be killed, it would be a huge, pre-arranged farce. He must be extremely well protected.

We thought the same of Nasrallah but turns out it was common knowledge that he lived in the deep basement of the same building in Dahiyeh for years. He didnt even have a real bunker.

 

[mangekyo]

Seriously though I have been looking at all bases from turkey to Kuwait to Qatar to etc honestly most are between 100 to 300 miles as long as Iran actually does have its finger on the metaphorical button and have many of these short range missiles ready to go again I don’t know how many they can launch but fire off a lot of older models send in new accurate srbm right after could do a ton of damage.

Muslim countries have declared neutral. If Iran were to attack a Muslim country that holds US bases, wouldn’t that rally the people of that country against Iran? Wouldn’t that country use it as an opportunity to directly support the U.S?

I am sure PGCC and Turkey do not want a Pro-US Iranian government. Turkey especially has the most to lose. But a fragmented and permanently neutered Iran is a good thing for Turkey and PGCC

 

[Watandar]

Muslim countries have declared neutral. If Iran were to attack a Muslim country that holds US bases, wouldn’t that rally the people of that country against Iran? Wouldn’t that country use it as an opportunity to directly support the U.S?

I am sure PGCC and Turkey do not want a Pro-US Iranian government. Turkey especially has the most to lose. But a fragmented and permanently neutered Iran is a good thing for Turkey and PGCC

What is the value of this "neutrality" when they host US bases and ports, are launching pads for US military attacks, fund CIA-mossad intelligence ops and share radar data with Israel that helps them shoot down Iranian missiles ?

Their public's have also been taught that Iran is bad and their sect sucks too. IMO Iran only has option to go big or quietly surrender.

 

[Shags101]

Muslim countries have declared neutral. If Iran were to attack a Muslim country that holds US bases, wouldn’t that rally the people of that country against Iran? Wouldn’t that country use it as an opportunity to directly support the U.S?

I am sure PGCC and Turkey do not want a Pro-US Iranian government. Turkey especially has the most to lose. But a fragmented and permanently neutered Iran is a good thing for Turkey and PGCC

Not really let’s assume 99.9 percent of troops of trump troops(sorry I’m not calling them American because honestly I don’t think vast majority of Americans support this)if a mass casualty event they will root for Iran like they did during the 3 true promises

The only country that would respond would be turkey but if fighters and bombers do start flying out of trump bases from there why wouldn’t Iran hit said bases

 

[StrategicBear]

Preemptive strike for Iran now is the only option. Scott Ritter even mentioned this on X. Iran shouldn't make the same mistake Saddam made in 1991 of letting US forces build up in the region first. Strike while the iron is hot and sink their carriers now before it's too late and Iran loses her offensive BM strike abilities. If I were Iran I'd be pressing the trigger already before US Stealth Aircraft use their air superiority to suppress my missile bases and launch pads from the air, so I can be sure to be able to use my ASBMs for complete destruction of USN carriers and other support ships.

Attacking USN forces because Trump threatens Iran with bombings is also justified for Iran to remove the threat to her security, and allows Iran not to attack Israel for now unless if Israel joins the war. Preemptive strikes is to force the US into the negotiating table and offer Iran security guarantees so Trump and future US Presidents won't make anymore threats like that for the next decade or two via a 10-Year Long Peace Treaty after the war's end.