Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

That's the reason - I don't post because many people just live with fancy thoughts. Anyway good day!

SUl400 was hit? You know the difference about the claims - india was doing the press briefing daily with the photos evidence, and Pakistan was claiming by saying - see what news paper said, one operator (unconfirmed news).. I am not interested to waste on useless claims either. Thanks I am out of this thread...
oh please ! You present a revisionist version of history which shows the IAF as mighty on the same days it was shocked and grounded ! Why did India go up the escalation ladder on May 10th and use nuke capable missiles ? Because it had overestimated itself and underestimated Pakistan and China. The Indian use of Brahmos was reckless facesaving.
 
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oh please ! You present a revisionist version of history which shows the IAF as mighty on the same days it was shocked and grounded ! Why did India go up the escalation ladder on May 10th and use nuke capable missiles ? Because it had overestimated itself and underestimated Pakistan and China. The Indian use of Brahmos was reckless facesaving.
Just for your information, many BrahMos missiles were launched by the Indian Air Force itself.

This is part of modern warfare doctrine. As I mentioned earlier, the PAF had little to show beyond the first day; in the following days, there was almost no meaningful activity, apart from claims of operating and securing own airspace.

This is because air warfare today is not the same as it was in the early 1990s, when forces directly penetrated enemy airspace to destroy critical installations.

Defense technology has changed significantly, and at present, only 5th-generation fighters provide such advantages in heavily contested environments.

In today’s conflicts, the most important factors are how well a country can secure its critical installations and bases, and how effectively it can neutralize enemy assets. If these objectives are not achieved, an air force will make little to no difference as the war progresses, eventually becoming highly vulnerable or being pushed into extremely high-risk missions.

Anyway! I am wasting my time here. Enjoy your posts in the thread; most likely I will not respond to any. Thanks
 
This guy did a great job compiling evidence of 7 Indian aircrafts and UAV crashes


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We only have visual evidence for 4 Indians fighter jets. Rest are theories but does not mean Pakistan did not shoot down more then 4.
 
That's the reason - I don't post because many people just live with fancy thoughts. Anyway good day!

SUl400 was hit? You know the difference about the claims - india was doing the press briefing daily with the photos evidence, and Pakistan was claiming by saying - see what news paper said, one operator (unconfirmed news).. I am not interested to waste on useless claims either. Thanks I am out of this thread...

Tell us which evidence did India provide for destroyed Pakistani AD?
Just alone the fact that Modi ran to udhampur air base to disapprove Pakistani claim of hitting S400 os enough proof simply because he was posing infront of S400 missile launcher which Pakistan never claimed.
 
I have a new dilemma.
This photo is being circulated since Indian Republic day parade as evidence of BS002 still existing and wasn't shot by Pakistan.
But why the french Flag ? Thats not an Indian flag on it's tail.... is it ?

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I have a new dilemma.
This photo is being circulated since Indian Republic day parade as evidence of BS002 still existing and wasn't shot by Pakistan.
But why the french Flag ? Thats not an Indian flag on it's tail.... is it ?

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What? Just google it mate.

That's IAF's fin flash.
Saffron, White and Green

French flag is blue, white and red.
 
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I have a new dilemma.
This photo is being circulated since Indian Republic day parade as evidence of BS002 still existing and wasn't shot by Pakistan.
But why the french Flag ? Thats not an Indian flag on it's tail.... is it ?

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The indian AF flag is reversed On one side.
 
This again reads like one-sided propaganda. No internationally published reports support this claim.

The IAF played a major role in targeting radars, airbases, and other key installations, especially when compared to the PAF’s actions on the first day, the 7th—something that has already been widely acknowledged.

No international reports back this propaganda that iAF was grounded

What a dishonest troll. But then agin, no one expects you guys to do better. Calling your own military chief’s statement that the IAF was grounded for two days, ON CAMERA, “ propaganda” is the height of trolling.
 
Hi guys, im working on my next video which debunks India's claim of destroying PAF jets in Hangers.

Here is the argument that I prepared with AI.
Please let me know what you think.





This video focuses only on Indian Air Force strikes against Pakistan air bases Hangers. One in Bholari air base And the other in Shahbaz air base … It does not cover the entire May 2025 conflict.



IAF's air strikes have become a case study in imagination-driven victory claims. They hit two hangars at PAF’s air bases and immediately launched a propaganda campaign claiming they destroyed 10–12 fighter jets parked inside. No intelligence backing it. No post-strike verification. No satellite imagery. Just pure imagination.



India claims that a damaged hangar in Shahbaz air base shows the outline of a destroyed F-16.

A direct hit by a cruise missile weighing 100s of kilograms would completely obliterate a fighter jet—shredding the airframe, igniting fuel, and scattering debris. It would not leave an intact structure or a fighter jet -shaped outline visible from satellite imagery.

Real weapon test footage proves this. A GBU-39 struck aircraft test target, the result is total destruction, not preserved shapes or recognizable silhouettes.

What India is doing is misrepresenting roof collapse patterns, shadows, and debris as a “jet outline.” That’s classic pareidolia—seeing shapes because you want to see them.

Bottom line: cruise missiles don’t leave behind clean outlines. They leave destruction. The rest is propaganda and imaginary fiction.

Here’s the part India desperately wants you to ignore:

During wartime, fighter jets are the primary assets of an air base, not hangars. Any competent air force moves its fighters into Hardened Aircraft Shelters (HAS) as soon as hostilities are expected. It doesn’t matter if the jet is fully airworthy, undergoing maintenance, or missing a component — if it can be towed, it goes into a hardened shelter.



At PAF bases (like any professional air force):

There are aircraft towing tractors / tow bars assigned to squadrons and dispersal areas

These vehicles are on standby during heightened alert

They’re designed to move fighters with dead engines, partial systems, or ongoing maintenance

So if a jet:

Has an engine issue

Is undergoing inspections

Isn’t flight-ready at that exact moment

…it can still be pulled into a Hardened Aircraft Shelter quickly. No drama, no excuses.

This is why the argument that “jets couldn’t be moved because they weren’t airworthy” doesn’t hold water. If it rolls on its landing gear, it can be protected.





So the idea that 10–12 fighters were casually left sitting inside soft hangars during an active conflict is not analysis — it’s fantasy.

Even more embarrassing is the leap from “we hit a couple of hangars” to “we destroyed the entire air base.”



And context matters — a lot.

India didn’t choose these long-range, stand-off strikes because they were feeling confident. They chose them because they had already suffered embarrassing losses in the air. Despite fielding fighter jets like Rafales armed with Meteor long-range missiles as evident from one of its debris found in Bathinda India, they were simply outmaneuvered by Pakistan air force which has Superior tactics, better coordination, and smarter air combat planning that turned IAF's supposed technological edge into dead weight.

Having advanced missiles means nothing if your doctrine, training, and execution collapse the moment real air combat begins. And then the hilarious excuse that IAF was restrained due to strict Rules of engagement ROE because IAF was only tasked to take out terror targets inside Pakistan. Well if ROE was in place then it does not make any sense to get 70 plus of your front line fighter jets airborne which carried advanced air to air missiles such as R-77, MICA, and crown jewel Meteor.

After losing fighter jets and failing to establish air superiority, IAF backed off from contested airspace and launched face-saving strikes from maximum safe distance. No dogfights. No air dominance. Just stand-off weapons — followed by an aggressive propaganda push to inflate limited physical damage into a decisive victory.



No credible evidence supports claims of 10–12 jets destroyed on ground.

Two damaged hangars do not equal a destroyed air base



The strikes were about optics, not battlefield dominance.

IAF didn’t destroy an air base.

They didn’t wipe out a fighter fleet.

They lost fighters in the air, retreated to stand-off attacks, and then tried to rewrite the outcome through imagination.
 
Firing missiles at ground installations - a static target thousands of hectares wide built with redundancy - does not automatically demonstrate an operational edge.

The Ukrainians have bombarded kursk and crimea with storm-shadows, ATACMS, - VKS is still airborne.

The Russians have hit almost every Ukrainian airbase nearly round the clock with Kh-101's and Iskanders - Ukrainian air force is still airborne.

Iranian missiles struck 5 Israeli military bases during the 12 day war - Israeli air force was pretty active during that war.

It is 100% the opposite of air superiority - it means you're denied access by the enemy, operationally constrained and have limited options of delivering offence.

Capability ≠ Outcome.
 
@safriz

This guy did a great job compiling evidence of 7 Indian aircrafts and UAV crashes

One wishes that he had done an equally great job of compiling evidence of 34 IAF bases (allegedly) destroyed by Pakistan.

@Gamaji,

Indians hope by not joining the peace board will cause the world forget the Kashmir dispute.

The world has already forgotten the Kashmir dispute.

Regards
 
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