PAF J-10CE News, Updates and Discussion

[uucc001]

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[TopGun786]

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[MastanKhan]

Overthinking, I just forgot my password. Not banned from the forum. I am relatively lazy.

Hi,

With today's technology---there is no LOW END fighter---.

A fighter maybe be defined by its usage and utility.

In its own GEN category a low end fighter is as deadly as a high end fighter---weapons are the same

 

[guangdongt]

Hi,

With today's technology---there is no LOW END fighter---.

A fighter maybe be defined by its usage and utility.

在它自己的GEN类别中，低端战斗机和高端战斗机一样致命-武器是一样的

This is a typical misunderstanding caused by translating from Chinese to English. It is not that there is a difference in the combat performance of fighter jets, but rather that the J-16 has a wider range of uses and is more suitable for pairing with the J-20. In China, we also say that the US F15 and F16 are high-end and low-end combinations. The F15 is larger and more expensive, with a better range and more payload capacity. The F16 has strong multi-purpose capabilities and can meet the different needs of various countries. It does not mean that these two types of fighter jets have a difference in combat performance.
Regarding the J-10, it is necessary to consider its development era. At that time, the Chinese Air Force was still in an overall defense mode, and Taiwan introduced the F16 and Phantom 2000. We need an aircraft with an appropriate range that can perform air combat well. No matter how the j10 is improved in the future, its range and ammunition load cannot be compared with that of the j16 heavy fighter. After decades, the area of Chinese fighter cruising is no longer so small. With the service of the j20, the j16 is more suitable for serving as a supporting role. China's military development is a process. The performance of fighter jets itself is not high or low, but the usage needs of fighter jets vary in different countries and eras, resulting in differentiated combinations. It's like Pakistan will take a liking to China's fighter jets in the future. I don't know if it's the FC31 or the current J35, but the J35 is bigger and heavier. It's not even a traditional mid-range aircraft

 

[guangdongt]

J10 is the most beautiful dream of our middle-aged military enthusiasts in our childhood. In the 1990s, Chinese people were not wealthy. In order to buy a military magazine with J10 speculation, I had to save 2 weeks of breakfast money and only explore the appearance of J10 for one page. When j10 was officially announced in 2006, I had already graduated and started working. I am glad that the j10c is flying in the sky of Pakistan. The j10c is a medium-sized fighter jet, and its range cannot be like that of a heavy fighter jet. However, its air combat performance is very excellent. The j10c has also repeatedly defeated the j16 in air combat exercises by the Chinese Air Force.J10c will have greater room for development in Pakistan

 

[Oscar]

The J10C is only a low-end fighter in the Chinese military. The real workhorse is J20/J16. The latter accompanies the J20 in combat and is responsible for electronic warfare, ground attack, missile trucks (A-launchers and B-guiders), etc. Of course, against the Rafale, the J10C has no trouble.

For the PLAAF facing F-35 in large numbers along with other sophisticated assets over long ranges - yes the J-10C is the low end for China.
I think you were misunderstood and I agree with you.

I do not want to derail this topic but even in its “low end” form it does have many advantages over baseline J-11s and serves as a potent Air defense and strike asset especially if the PLAAF will be defending mainland China and its EEZ from Taiwanese and US aircraft in any potential conflict.

More so if China is dragged into a two front conflict as is being hoped by its adversaries.

For Pakistan and India - the J-10C is a very potent asset in its form - but even in a China vs India situation it can serve as a very potent asset.

 

[Oscar]

J10 is the most beautiful dream of our middle-aged military enthusiasts in our childhood. In the 1990s, Chinese people were not wealthy. In order to buy a military magazine with J10 speculation, I had to save 2 weeks of breakfast money and only explore the appearance of J10 for one page. When j10 was officially announced in 2006, I had already graduated and started working. I am glad that the j10c is flying in the sky of Pakistan. The j10c is a medium-sized fighter jet, and its range cannot be like that of a heavy fighter jet. However, its air combat performance is very excellent. The j10c has also repeatedly defeated the j16 in air combat exercises by the Chinese Air Force.J10c will have greater room for development in Pakistan

Exactly - requirements for the PLAAF changed. It is the exact same reason why back in the 90s when Super 7 program to JF-17 was being developed for both China and Pakistan to use - the PLAAFs requirements changed and it decided to not pursue it. Unfortunately, that is taken as criticism of the Jf-17 or in this case by Pakistanis as criticism of the J-10C when they are excellent aircraft for their design requirements.

If those requirements no longer meet what the PLAAF needs doesn’t mean they are not great fits for other forces.

 

[guangdongt]

For the PLAAF facing F-35 in large numbers along with other sophisticated assets over long ranges - yes the J-10C is the low end for China.
I think you were misunderstood and I agree with you.

I do not want to derail this topic but even in its “low end” form it does have many advantages over baseline J-11s and serves as a potent Air defense and strike asset especially if the PLAAF will be defending mainland China and its EEZ from Taiwanese and US aircraft in any potential conflict.

More so if China is dragged into a two front conflict as is being hoped by its adversaries.

For Pakistan and India - the J-10C is a very potent asset in its form - but even in a China vs India situation it can serve as a very potent asset.

I completely agree with your statement that there are a large number of F35s around China. F35s are only misled by propaganda to cover up their influence. The United States must have carefully studied their ability to deploy a large number of F35s around China. Against this backdrop of confrontation, it further compresses the usage space of China's J-10C. China's surrounding areas are one of the most densely deployed fifth generation aircraft in the world, and there are also a considerable number of various types of offensive weapons and military bases present. The situation in Pakistan is completely different. In the situation where India's most advanced fighter jets only have gusts, the ability of the J-10C to conduct air combat is beyond doubt

 

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[MastanKhan]

This is a typical misunderstanding caused by translating from Chinese to English. It is not that there is a difference in the combat performance of fighter jets, but rather that the J-16 has a wider range of uses and is more suitable for pairing with the J-20. In China, we also say that the US F15 and F16 are high-end and low-end combinations. The F15 is larger and more expensive, with a better range and more payload capacity. The F16 has strong multi-purpose capabilities and can meet the different needs of various countries. It does not mean that these two types of fighter jets have a difference in combat performance.
Regarding the J-10, it is necessary to consider its development era. At that time, the Chinese Air Force was still in an overall defense mode, and Taiwan introduced the F16 and Phantom 2000. We need an aircraft with an appropriate range that can perform air combat well. No matter how the j10 is improved in the future, its range and ammunition load cannot be compared with that of the j16 heavy fighter. After decades, the area of Chinese fighter cruising is no longer so small. With the service of the j20, the j16 is more suitable for serving as a supporting role. China's military development is a process. The performance of fighter jets itself is not high or low, but the usage needs of fighter jets vary in different countries and eras, resulting in differentiated combinations. It's like Pakistan will take a liking to China's fighter jets in the future. I don't know if it's the FC31 or the current J35, but the J35 is bigger and heavier. It's not even a traditional mid-range aircraft

Hi,

You point was very clear---my reply was for 'others' who make a mountain out of a mole hill.

 

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[FOOLS_NIGHTMARE]

PL-15 with visually similar profile to AIM-120C/D is longer & wider with small AESA seeker & dual-pulse motor giving max range around 200 km. PL-15 outranges AIM-120D & has a comparable max range to Meteor, although later will likely retain a larger NEZ due to its ramjet system

 

[ghazi52]

 

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